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DOHCmarauder

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polarbear said:
At our GM meetings, engineers are quick to point out that the size of the rotor has little to do with the stopping distances. There are many other factors, including The number of pistons. (We use 4, they use 2). Ditto the size of the ring and pinion gear.

That rotor thing has been an ongoing Ford issue on the SD's.

re: the Rr AC vents. Anyone that's been in a GM product in hot weather knows nobody does AC better than the General. Engineering Certification for GM involves a 50 degree cool-down in 7 minutes.... in Death Valley... in the summertime. That's all product lines, something that gave GM Korea's engineers fits with the Aveo (they had to redesign the dash and HVAC unit).
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Who's "they"???


The Tundra uses HUGE 4 piston calipers.


As great as GM A/C is (I'll take your word for it) it's about balance, especially in Death Valley's neighbor, Las Vegas.

In a large cab, there is a huge difference in temp from front to back when just the dash is blowing....

Strange the 800's had rear vents but the "improved" 900's don't....:confused: :confused:


And while the Eaton locker is a far better diff than the POS the Tundra uses.....it has been proven fragile. (realize that's not a ring size issue)
 
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polarbear

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DOHCmarauder said:
Who's "they"???


The Tundra uses HUGE 4 piston calipers.

Somebody tell Chebbie- they say 2. I haven't counted. I do know the Silverado will out-stop a Tundra from two separate comparison tests, even though it out-weighs it and uses drums in the back on the 1/2T.

As great as GM A/C is (I'll take your word for it) it's about balance, especially in Death Valley's neighbor, Las Vegas.

In a large cab, there is a huge difference in temp from front to back when just the dash is blowing....

Strange the 800's had rear vents but the "improved" 900's don't....:confused: :confused:

Well, they had to put the rear radio/DVD/Game player controls somewhere. :rofl:

And while the Eaton locker is a far better diff than the POS the Tundra uses.....it has been proven fragile. (realize that's not a ring size issue)

Only if Nick's friend Andy is driving (there's a thread about that floating around here somewhere). That's true though- f'idiots mashing the throttle on a turn on dry pavement can grenade one pretty easily. It's not fragile so much as requires a bit of skill and "know-how."
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I've heard great things about that Allison auto.

Also, I'm disapointed to hear that the new Cummins isn't doing so great. I thought a bigger Cummins would really rock in those new Dodges. Guess not.
 

DOHCmarauder

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polarbear said:
DOHCmarauder said:
Who's "they"???


The Tundra uses HUGE 4 piston calipers.

Somebody tell Chebbie- they say 2. I haven't counted. I do know the Silverado will out-stop a Tundra from two separate comparison tests, even though it out-weighs it and uses drums in the back on the 1/2T.

As great as GM A/C is (I'll take your word for it) it's about balance, especially in Death Valley's neighbor, Las Vegas.

In a large cab, there is a huge difference in temp from front to back when just the dash is blowing....

Strange the 800's had rear vents but the "improved" 900's don't....:confused: :confused:

Well, they had to put the rear radio/DVD/Game player controls somewhere. :rofl:

And while the Eaton locker is a far better diff than the POS the Tundra uses.....it has been proven fragile. (realize that's not a ring size issue)

Only if Nick's friend Andy is driving (there's a thread about that floating around here somewhere). That's true though- f'idiots mashing the throttle on a turn on dry pavement can grenade one pretty easily. It's not fragile so much as requires a bit of skill and "know-how."
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Well, I have officially lost all respect for GM "engineers"....smilietease

1) The Tundra is the 2nd heaviest 1/2 ton truck next to the 150....easy enough to verify by comparing payload vs. GVW. (The GM's actually have a slightly higher payload with a slightly lower GVW)


2) I assure you the Tundra has 4 piston calipers on the front.....it's easy enough to tell by just looking at one (all the trade ins that you have should make that easy:) )

3) drum brakes..........:lame:


Like I've already stated, initial stops aren't the only measure of brake performance; fade resisitence and being warp resistence is.
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89frankenford said:
unlike the the tundra, the superduty's front end styling was made like that specifically for a useful puspose. the headlights are on the bottom because the truck sits up high. they moved the lights to the bottom for better visibility during the fog/rain/snow(bad weather). if they didn't move the lights the amount of visibility was way down and they would be blinding anyone in front. thats fords way of saying (function over form) plus in my honest opinion the tundra bed sides are HUGE!!! and it looks like it sits really low to the ground for a 4wd truck. to me the tundra spent way to much in styling (form over function in this case.) i do have to say toyota started (or rekindled a competition) between the half ton trucks with there new tundra. chevy/ford/dodge have been fighting since the beginning but its been on the down low recently (90's) the tundra came along and BAM half ton truck battle all over again...BUT the tundra says it can tow this and do this. now if i really really wanted to tow and haul a bunch of stuff....i would just get a 3/4 ton truck.....thats why chevy/ford/dodge make them.... 1/2, 3/4, 1 ton trucks are there for a reason.i wouldn't put that much of a burden on a 1/2 ton truck when i can just get a 3/4 ton. i do like how the tundra commercials have the guy holding the JD power award and he's wrestling it to put it down like it weighs 120 lbs, when in all actuality. it probably weighs 3lbs. also (this is directed to all new trucks) WHATS WITH THE 20" RIMS!....AND HAVING AN OFF ROAD PACKAGE!... the larger the rims the smaller the sidewall of the tire. smaller sidewall = less give for the tire for going over rocks, trees, mud and so on off road...making for a really bad stuck situation and not being able to get traction in spots you really need it! im a very utility kind of person. a truck thats flashy doesn't do it for me. a truck that can go head on into a forest and not look back perks my eyebrows up. just my 2 cents

i hate being sick.........(just throwing that in there)
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Because, honestly, when we're talking $35-$40,000 pickups, off-road capabilities are a moot question anymore. A used $3,000 pickup is the answer to utility.
 
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The longest lasting truck truck, I'd have to vote for my '93 F-150; never left me stranded and the only failures were my fault, 146k and stll kicking (will be making the 500+ mile trip from here to Sac come December)...
 

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Longest lasting truck? Hard to say. My 1948 F1 is a daily driver - year round and it's still going. Needs some maintenance once in awhile but still getting down the hwy and keeping up with traffic in nearly stock form.

Only major upgrade is the '65 rear end so I have 3.50 road gears. Total miles unknown - but 60 years counts for something.
 
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mtflat said:
Longest lasting truck? Hard to say. My 1948 F1 is a daily driver - year round and it's still going. Needs some maintenance once in awhile but still getting down the hwy and keeping up with traffic in nearly stock form.

Only major upgrade is the '65 rear end so I have 3.50 road gears. Total miles unknown - but 60 years counts for something.
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I just realized, in a few years that truck might be able to collect Social Security. :)
 

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Raptor22 said:
An 86 country squire with too many headlights? I dont get it... :suspicious:
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89frankenford said:
unlike the the tundra, the superduty's front end styling was made like that specifically for a useful puspose. the headlights are on the bottom because the truck sits up high. they moved the lights to the bottom for better visibility during the fog/rain/snow(bad weather). if they didn't move the lights the amount of visibility was way down and they would be blinding anyone in front. thats fords way of saying (function over form) <snip>
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I was trying to be funny......'hiding_smilie'
 

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Blue Goose said:
Go and view National Lampoon's Family Vacation and you'll see this car. In the movie it wasn't a Country Squire, it was a Family Truckster.
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Back in the day, (probably currently,too) car manufacturers begged the studios to use their cars.....

Urban legend has it that after Ford read that script, they politely refused to supply the "lead" car.



"Believe it........or not."
 

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polarbear

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DOHCmarauder said:
I'll show you mine, if you show me yours......:)


http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=119281/pageId=118484


[still giggling that anyone would use drum brakes.(realize that rear discs are OPTIONAL) And don't forget to check out those curb weights]
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I'm looking- day from hell at the office.

I did see Motor Trend had to replace front pads and rotors on their long-term Tundra at 20,000 miles. That puts their total maintenance and normal wear expeditures at over $1,400- for the first 20,000 miles. That's a helluva lot. Ironic it was those huge brakes needing replacement that caused a big chunk of the bill.

By comparison, the Long Term '07 Silverado cost $419 in maintenance, and a big fat $0 in normal wear expenditures over the same time/mile period (which is what I'd expect from a new truck).

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/oneyear/112_0811_2008_toyota_tundra_update_4/index.html

OK- from MT

Silverado, 60-0 132 ft.

Tundra- 139 ft.

F150- 150 ft

of interest, the two latter models have 4-wheel discs.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests...vy_silverado_1500_verdict/specifications.html

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests...undra_double_cab_long_term_arrival/index.html

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/oneyear/112_0602_2004_ford_f150_fx4/specs_price.html

Every test I've seen puts the Silverado and the Tundra very close in braking distance, but they both generally get beat by the F150- with the Titan and the Dodge bringing up the rear. The Tundra's a porker, at 5800 lbs, which hurts it's handling and braking. With it's uber-motor powertrain, it can muscle past the rest on a dragstrip, which is really where the Tundra shines.

I really don't think the future of the pickup is going to be determined by big HP numbers though. The future is here

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests...evrolet_silverado_hybrid_xfe_drive/index.html

Hybrids, small diesels, eco-boost, and generally tweaking existing powertrains for better fuel economy.
 

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