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polarbear

just growing older not up
12,878
607
Boring, Oregon
Ernie you're not understanding me brother. I completely agree with what you're saying --- from stock -> larger tires you will ALWAYS see a decrease in mileage, that much I know. But you can take back SOME of that lost fuel economy with the right gearing (not all of it... like you say, that would be defeating the laws of physics). But you can bring back SOME mileage by not lugging the engine with tall tires and numerically low gearing and also not overrevving the engine with short tires and numerically high gearing (those are both very bad combo's). There is a sweet spot to get the best mileage possible for a given set of tires, even though that possible mileage will not be as good as smaller tires. This is all I'm trying to say ;)

I understand. The "sweet spot" is easy to calculate. Look at your engine specs, and see where the torque peak is- that's the number.


Also -- when keeping constant tire size and changing gearing (like in my case) speedo calibration has no effect. The speedo on my truck takes its readings from the ABS ring (ring with teeth on it to the left of the ring gear) which has a constant diameter no matter what the gearing as (as does the ring gear). Change the gearing --- ABS ring stays the same --- speedo stays the same. Changing tire sizes? Yes of course your speedo calibration will be off and hence your fuel economy calculations, based on the odometer readings, are going to be skewed.

The speedo calibration does have one impact- accurately calculating fuel mileage. If the calibration is off, so are your calculations. In the newer rigs, tire swaps have a more serious impact on damned near everything the engine and transmission does. This is an ongoing issue in our shop with the pickups.

And for any 3rd parties out there -- we're DISCUSSING not ARGUING :rofl:

Much love Ernie ;)

And yes, this is an intelligent discussion guys. :)
 

Skandocious

Post Whores Make Me Sick
19,076
655
California
polarbear said:
The speedo calibration does have one impact- accurately calculating fuel mileage. If the calibration is off, so are your calculations. In the newer rigs, tire swaps have a more serious impact on damned near everything the engine and transmission does. This is an ongoing issue in our shop with the pickups.
Lol! You're lettin' the ol' gray hairs show Ernie boy. I said that the speedo calibration is not effected by GEAR SWAPS (in these trucks at least) and it IS affected by a tire swap. You're preachin' to the converted ;)
 

Mr. Stroker

CASE IH
3,121
67
Michigan
So lets put this in understandable terms.

If i put a 6 inch lift on my truck with 35's. My speedo wont be off?
 

Mr. Stroker

CASE IH
3,121
67
Michigan
So is your speedo off then?
 

Skandocious

Post Whores Make Me Sick
19,076
655
California
Mine is only off by about 2mph (has been since I bought the truck). The previous owner installed the 33" tires. The gear swap that I did, did NOT affect my speedometer.
 

surewhynot

Rep whores make me sick
13,843
821
Florida
I can't understand why I only get 7 mpg with my 5:13 gears and 38 inch tires. :p
 

surewhynot

Rep whores make me sick
13,843
821
Florida
I'm happy to be getting 7! I figured it would be worse. Look at my tach-

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BKW

Ford Parts Guru
1,896
118
Simi Valley, CA
It was an option, as I recall, but there were specific engine/transmission constraints to having them. On another note- you guys have a helluva lot more gas money than I do- those 4.10's aren't exactly fuel efficient if the truck is a DD.
Hey! A parts question...wonders will never cease!

1980/89 Ford Light Truck Parts Catalog / Rear Axle Application Chart / Ford WFL 8.8 Locking (LS) / Parts List #238

E9TZ-4209-B .. 4.10-1 R&P Gear Kit (replaced E7TZ-4209-C)

4.10's: First offered in 1987, and then only with Limited Slip.

The 4.10-1 gear kit is not listed in parts list #236, the non LS 8.8 axle (WDR).

The 8.8 rear axle was introduced in 1983.

btw: E9TZ-4209-B has been replaced. The current part number is: 6L5Z-4209-A / MSRP: $663.53 / Mr. Ed's (ftfpartsguy) price: $477.74
 
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