Ford "Bobcat" Dual-Fuel Engine

[Blue Goose]

Ford "Bobcat" Dual-Fuel Engine CAD Renderings: First Look At Future

"...an experimental 3.5-liter GTDI EcoBoost engine modified with E85 direct injection and gasoline port fuel injection run on a dynamometer achieved a BMEP score of 305 psi (27 bar), which translates to approximately 553 pounds-feet of torque and 316 horsepower at 3,000 rpm (flat torque curve from 1,500 to 3,000 rpm). The experimental engine was limited by the engine block's ability to handle higher compression ratios."

But what's really cool about this technology is it's precisely how Ford expects to rech the new 2016 fuel economy numbers just announced by the Obama administration. No neutered hybrid pickup trucks needed.

 

[Mr. Stroker]

Hmm very very interesting.

 

[CowboyBilly9Mile]

Other than the E85 thing, I'd say they got some hot technology on the table. I do wonder what kind of alcohol mileage it will get in the applications they test it in.

 

[TexasRho83]

E85 aka Ethanol right? Don't see what the big deal is with that stuff in terms of 'helping' the environment cause hell it's pollution either way you slice it. All the treehuggers like to talk about how their cars will run predominantly on ethanol and they're doing their part, but in the end, studies show that the pollution factor isn't that much less than regular gasoline.

 

[Raptor22]

Thats really, really, cool. I would like to see how this plays out.

 

[RangerPilot]

All the treehuggers like to talk about how their cars will run predominantly on ethanol and they're doing their part, but in the end, studies show that the pollution factor isn't that much less than regular gasoline.

Yeah but think about how happy they'd be to go all-ethanol. Kick a lot of older cars off the streets...it'd be treehugger heaven. There's apparently a beauty in being naiive about the "benefits" of ethanol.

 

[Blade]

i cant wait to see how this turns out

 

[mrxlh]

BMEP of 305, wow thats high, wonder PFP would be at that level? Something like 2250 psi if my calculations are right. (750 psi @105 BMEP) Which would explain the block issues.

 

[TexasNomad]

So what kinda MPG are these engines supposed to get?

 

[mrxlh]

Mileage ought to be pretty good. Look at what GM is getting out of the V6 direct injection motor in the camero. 305 hp and above 20mpg to boot. I would expect Ford is shooting for 30mpg with it. Otherwise it wouldnt be worth studying it. They need something over the top to meet the new MPG standards to bolster their numbers. Knowing what I know about diesels, the higher the HP numbers usually equates to higher MPG gains. Some of the best tuner files were extreme in injector timing and fuel spray, however these tunes usually resulted in the highest mileage gains.

 

[CowboyBilly9Mile]

....... There's apparently a beauty in being naiive about the "benefits" of ethanol.

Uh huh, like the runup in the price of corn and corn products we saw last summer, compliments of the gubnement and their E10 requirement. And that was one part of my point in my earlier post.

*Anyone ever wonder if that engine hit's the road what may happen to E85 prices (for those able to buy it)?

 

[TexasNomad]

I hope they make it to the market

 

[Bricks]

Impressive #'s out of only 3.5 litres

 

[RangerPilot]

...compliments of the gubnement and their E10 requirement.

Thankfully around here you can find ethanol-free gas...a big plus for my buddy who runs 87 unleaded in his airplane.

 

[TexasRho83]

Thankfully around here you can find ethanol-free gas...

Really??? Interesting...

 

[RangerPilot]

Yup...there are three stations (who shall remain unnamed...one of which is a major US brand) who stock "ethanol-free" unleaded.

 

[CowboyBilly9Mile]

Thankfully around here you can find ethanol-free gas...a big plus for my buddy who runs 87 unleaded in his airplane.

Oh, so in other words, it's like guys like me did back around 1980 buying 96+ octane gas from the *correct* facility but you had to put the stuff in gas cans rather than directly into the gas tank of the car, even though the guy selling it to me knew exactly where the stuff was going to go after you left the place and drove a few blocks away and came back for more

*BTW, and since we're talking about it, those labels on the pump read "may contain up to 10% ethanol". You and I as consumers don't really know what we're actually buying/getting. So on that note, I wonder how long it will be before consumers get pissed and want to know exactly what they are paying for. If I'm checking mileage over 1,000 miles and it's consistently got 10% got alcohol, ok, so I know, and if mileage is lower than usual I would have a reason to (possibly) know why. Conversely, if it's got no alcohol, great I would like to know and take that into consideration. But currently, we the people/consumers don't know (at least around here) exactly what our bucks are buying. All the *gas* that we buy nowadays just "makes it run". This ain't right in my book.

 

[O'Rattlecan]

No, it's not. That's why I run fuel system cleaner about twice as often as I used to.

Ryan

 

[Raptor22]

No, it's not. That's why I run fuel system cleaner about twice as often as I used to.

Ryan

Like seafoam? I used to do that, but then I learned that its like 80% kerosene and like 20% alcohol. I dont want that in my motor....

 

[O'Rattlecan]

it burns just like gas, except cleaner. If it keeps corn ethanol 'goop' from clogging my fuel lines and keeps my injectors open, I'll live with the 1 pint of the stuff within a full 17 gallons of fuel.

Ryan