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Flywheel

I have a 1976 F100 with a 351W and a c6 trans it has a 164 tooth 14" flywheel on it. when I tryed to get a flywheel at autozone or anywhere like that their computer shows the truck came with a 351M, so they can't find one. What flywheel would fit it?

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just look it up as a vehicle that had the C6 and 351w combo, pre 80 something as I don't remember quite when the imbalance changed, and it will be the same.
I get asked about non-factory setups all the time, and that is how I find the needed parts. I also work for AZ....

For instance, 77 E150 has 351W factory, flexplate is FRA 202....
 
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Roger, you work for autozone? Didn't think they ever hired anyone who knew anything about trucks lol Glad to see they do...maybe the morons they hire are just for my area :(
 

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There is one guy at the Autozone by me that has a clue what he is talking about too. If he can't figure it out he will keep on looking not turn you away like you are nuts like others do.
 

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There are some, but not many that do. I happen to be at one that has decent knowledge levels. I get paid decent for what it is, because of my experience. I also have dealt with the stereotypical AZ's as well, and fully understand the preset notion we are all like that... Of course, I don't do it for living, just part time while I go to school for engineering (mechanical). I don't think I could tolerate doing it for 40 hours a week, you think there are morons behind the counter, well, they are on both sides of the counter.... :rolleyes:
 
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...you think there are morons behind the counter, well,
they are on both sides of the counter....
Morons?

I really gets on my F***in nerves when a guy like Rho calls someone
something like that when he himself don't know the answer to start
with. Rho, what do you do for a living? I'm calling you out.

Parts-guy bashing threads always piss me off bad and right quick too.
Can you tell? ;)

Funny, how I never find them as anything but very eager to help me.
Why is that you suppose? Anybody? (but especially smart-guy-Rho)

Alvin in Arizona
 

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The whole thing to it is these days, they don't hire the experienced people because many times they can't pay enough to keep them there. If I were to do it full time, and didn't have the physical issues I do, I probably wouldn't be there either. The pay is not stellar, but it beats the zero I had before going in there. Many managers look for the cheap hire, rather than the experienced but higher paid hire thinking they will make it better financially, not considering the loyalty factor when you have good parts people with an actual knowledge of what they are doing, and some diagnostic skills as well. It just amazes me what corporate expects of these people they pay so little to. They pay $8 or so to unexperienced, untrained people, yet expect them to have the knowledge and skills of an experienced auto tech. They offer no training to get them into a position to be able to be more effective either.If you can punch keys and know just enough to know where to look up a part, they will hire you, then expect you to give high level tech advice...

My manager hires for more experience, and pays the max he can. He told me I already am at a level higher than most part timers, but corporate cleared it, so I get to have it.
 
You know, a new guy could learn lot about auto parts if he -wants- to.

Bill did. ;)

And since when was hiring only "old heads" a good idea for a business?

Many times it's not about the worker "not working hard", many times your
disappointment comes from -you- getting an idea of how "it should go",
sorry, but it wasn't based in reality. :/ Maybe just need to back off on the
XTC and/or shrooms just a little? ;)

"they're doing the best they can with what they've got to work with" -Alvin
...that usually gets judgmental people to stop and rethink their opinion. ;)

----------------------

What I noticed (depending on the particular business) about 75% of the
'mer-can work force only cares about quittin' time and their pay check. :/
It's usually up to a minority to make it work. Ever notice that? If not...
you are part of that 75%, dude! ;)

People tend to expect more from the police and courts for instance, than
the average work force cares about their own job.

I believe it's the same with parts guys, people expect more from a brand
new parts guy than is fair. So IMO, parts-guy bashing is just plain ol' unfair
and I won't let it stand unanswered.

I won't let this go, BTW. :)

Alvin in Arizona
 

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^^^Alvin...I'll agree with you to an extent, but where do you draw the line that a guy should just plain and simple know how to do their job. There have been times I've walked in to an O'Reilly's, Auto Zone and NAPA and hopped on THEIR computer system to find what I want, after them claiming they don't carry what I need or have what I need in stock. I don't work there, nor am I proficient in their operating systems...since the guy behind the counter couldn't fulfill his duties, should I then get his pay check? Even if they're completely wet behind the ears and don't know how to turn a wrench, at the very least they should be able to navigate their system to accomplish the job they're paid to do. But I do agree, it comes down to pride in the job, and since the trend in autoparts stores seems to be to get the cheapest labor possible, they're putting employees out there that shouldn't be out there. Sure, it might not be fair to judge prematurely, but there are stereotypes and profiling for a reason.
 
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Oooo... good point and cool story, Ben. :)

BTDT a time or two myself but most of the time it has been another
employee that found the part for "both of us". But I make a point to
have the whole situation to be seen as a learning-opportunity and
that it was just part of the process of "learning the job" as opposed
to using the situation to run down the "new meat".

Way back, me and a new manager at a Pep Boys messed around for
a good 45 minutes finding and learning how to look up what I wanted
on their new system. -tires with no mounting or balancing or stems-
We were having fun tho. An employee showed up off his break and
offered to take over, but we refused! LOL :)

I don't remember if there was any money involved, but we did credit
the employee with the sale.

Alvin in AZ
 

Mil1ion

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Schooling

Some people think school is where you learn trivial things that one never uses

The fact is, school is not just about learning things, it is about learning how to learn.
This creates a mentality to pursue knowledge, this making a person knowledgable in several things

Where some of the workforce fails is they work to pay bills and buy things like driugs and booze to have a good time instead of tryting to be the best at everything they do.

My favourite saying "It's your mentality... Stupid "
 

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I have zero issue with someone learning a new job, we all did once... I actually like training a new person, as long as they are willing to learn from me. I make it very clear to newbies that there is no harm whatsoever in asking for help. I prefer they do rather than make mistakes that cause problems for the customer of for us.

Thing is, they STILL need to be able to tell the difference between a battery and a ball joint... if they can't do that, they need to learn it then come back. The issue I have is that corporate expects us to not only be able to look up the parts, but advise the customer on technical issues as well, and many of our customers expect us to be able to diagnose their vehicles as well. That doesn't come from learning on the parts counter, but at a tech school of some form or another, whether it be high school auto shop, a formal tech program, or general experience doing the work themselves. I don't see Bill advising on a lot of tech issues, but those that he was familiar with through bulletins, or experience at the dealership he worked for. He doesn't tend to give details on how to do a job either, but that is what is expected of us by the public. I can't begin to say how many times I have been asked what size a certain bolt is, when even the factory service manuals don't give that kind of info. The response I would like to give is "that is why they invented tool sets" but I don't dare.... Many times, customers don't want to buy whole sets, but get the one exact socket they need, and get all bent out of shape when we don't know those kinds of details... I answer a LOT of calls to try to diagnose their issues, for people who can barely change their oil sometimes... I agree, everyone has to learn, but to do my job effectively does require a little bit of automotive knowledge to begin with. There is only so much you can learn working a parts counter, the tech side comes from wrenching experience, not parts lookups. I can't teach someone how to diagnose a problem that doesn't know how the system works in the first place. Our store is busy enough, I also can't dedicate the time teaching them when the customers are backing up waiting either. It doesn't stick in their head if they don't use it somehow, or don't understand why it even would work that way.

And since when was hiring only "old heads" a good idea for a business?
When it is part of the job to have strong automotive knowledge and be able to diagnose customer issues. When is it NOT a good thing to have more experience at a job? Who would you be more likely to want helping you on a problem, a young kid with no experience, or an older person that has done it quite a few times? Everyone has to learn, true, but be honest, would you want someone who hardly knows what oil a car would need advising you an a misfire?

What I noticed (depending on the particular business) about 75% of the
'mer-can work force only cares about quittin' time and their pay check. :/
It's usually up to a minority to make it work. Ever notice that? If not...
you are part of that 75%, dude! ;)
Wow, where did this come from? You obviously have not worked alongside a midwestern farm kid... I agree in that many people don't have the work ethic they realistically should, but it does not require a minority to make it better. I have seen plenty of minorities that are not any more interested in working than what you state about 'mer-can workers...Maybe I am not in the norm when I put everything into my work when I am there, and many times will stay longer, not because I am chasing a few more cents, but because there are too many customers in the store for me to just walk out. I try to clear the rush out before I leave, and do this often. Seems like they know when it is time for me to leave...;) I have been known to re-clock in because it was too busy for me to feel good leaving the customers waiting, and my co-workers overloaded. I have rang people out because I had stopped in to pick up something and there were just some waiting to simply check out and the other workers were busy helping look up parts. Want to know what is kinda sad about that? I shouldn't be doing it, because I can be disciplined for it, possibly fired. I care more about getting the customers taken care of. My coworkers and manager all appreciate it, but that is an actual risk I take by doing that. I carry my own scanner so that when we get some of the OBD I vehicles in needing a code read, I can try to help them out, as we no longer have one for store use.
 
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Mil1ion

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Here's my change to share the wealth of knowledge.

? : Customer: What size both it is that hold the rag joint to the shaft on a Ford Pickup

A: FTF parts Guy: 12 Point 11mm or 7/16"
 
I have zero issue with someone learning a new job, we all did once... I actually like training a new person, as long as they are willing to learn from me. I make it very clear to newbies that there is no harm whatsoever in asking for help. I prefer they do rather than make mistakes that cause problems for the customer of for us.

Thing is, they STILL need to be able to tell the difference between a battery and a ball joint... if they can't do that, they need to learn it then come back. The issue I have is that corporate expects us to not only be able to look up the parts, but advise the customer on technical issues as well, and many of our customers expect us to be able to diagnose their vehicles as well. That doesn't come from learning on the parts counter, but at a tech school of some form or another, whether it be high school auto shop, a formal tech program, or general experience doing the work themselves. I don't see Bill advising on a lot of tech issues, but those that he was familiar with through bulletins, or experience at the dealership he worked for. He doesn't tend to give details on how to do a job either, but that is what is expected of us by the public. I can't begin to say how many times I have been asked what size a certain bolt is, when even the factory service manuals don't give that kind of info. The response I would like to give is "that is why they invented tool sets" but I don't dare.... Many times, customers don't want to buy whole sets, but get the one exact socket they need, and get all bent out of shape when we don't know those kinds of details... I answer a LOT of calls to try to diagnose their issues, for people who can barely change their oil sometimes... I agree, everyone has to learn, but to do my job effectively does require a little bit of automotive knowledge to begin with. There is only so much you can learn working a parts counter, the tech side comes from wrenching experience, not parts lookups. I can't teach someone how to diagnose a problem that doesn't know how the system works in the first place. Our store is busy enough, I also can't dedicate the time teaching them when the customers are backing up waiting either. It doesn't stick in their head if they don't use it somehow, or don't understand why it even would work that way.


When it is part of the job to have strong automotive knowledge and be able to diagnose customer issues. When is it NOT a good thing to have more experience at a job? Who would you be more likely to want helping you on a problem, a young kid with no experience, or an older person that has done it quite a few times? Everyone has to learn, true, but be honest, would you want someone who hardly knows what oil a car would need advising you an a misfire?


Wow, where did this come from? You obviously have not worked alongside a midwestern farm kid... I agree in that many people don't have the work ethic they realistically should, but it does not require a minority to make it better. I have seen plenty of minorities that are not any more interested in working than what you state about 'mer-can workers...Maybe I am not in the norm when I put everything into my work when I am there, and many times will stay longer, not because I am chasing a few more cents, but because there are too many customers in the store for me to just walk out. I try to clear the rush out before I leave, and do this often. Seems like they know when it is time for me to leave...;) I have been known to re-clock in because it was too busy for me to feel good leaving the customers waiting, and my co-workers overloaded. I have rang people out because I had stopped in to pick up something and there were just some waiting to simply check out and the other workers were busy helping look up parts. Want to know what is kinda sad about that? I shouldn't be doing it, because I can be disciplined for it, possibly fired. I care more about getting the customers taken care of. My coworkers and manager all appreciate it, but that is an actual risk I take by doing that. I carry my own scanner so that when we get some of the OBD I vehicles in needing a code read, I can try to help them out, as we no longer have one for store use.
x2 on that whole dangged thang! LOL :)

except...
Not farm kids, but ranch kids.
By the time the kids are in the 4th grade they can cut a bull's balls off
quicker and better than I can.
...but they aren't typical and their bosses aren't typical neither tho. ;)
...so they don't count. ;)

The ~75% is about corporation wage slaves and just because they do a
good-nuff-job all day, don't mean they do anymore than they have to.
But why should they other than self interest or pride? The owners, many
times never reveal who they are.

Also there's the idea some have that Ford parts command less interest. (?)

Alvin in AZ
 

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