ABS Fault--Repair or Buy New?

[mboclassic]

My ABS pump stays running even with the engine off. I have a 08 Ford F350 SD CrewCab. I believe it is the EBCM (electronic brake control module).

What options do I have to fix this problem? I've looked into ABS EBCM Module Repair on eBay and have located a few searching on Google, is this a good option?

Right now I have the fuse pulled so I can continue to use the truck.

Buying one from the dealer can run a pretty steep price compared to a repaired one...around $1,000 compared to around $59-100!!!

Please respond with your opinions. Thanks

 

[F150]

I'd spend the $50-$80 to get it properly diagnosed first..

An Autozone scanner will probably not pull a brake code, so you'd be looking at a brake shop to get the answer. Be sure they know up front not to repair, just diagnose though. (some of those places can get pretty shady.)

 

[mboclassic]

I had it read and the diagnostic code was C0265.
Do you have any diagnostic cheat sheets, or specs, DIY videos or anything like that...? Can it be self-repaired?

 

[blacksnapon]

I had it read and the diagnostic code was C0265.
Do you have any diagnostic cheat sheets, or specs, DIY videos or anything like that...? Can it be self-repaired?

Dont know what kind of scanner you used, but there is no c0265 in fords manuals.

 

[smokey]

The 265 is a Chevy code. For the booster control I believe.

 

[mboclassic]

Vehicle Manufacturer: Ford Motor Company
Established: 6/16/1903
Country of Origin: USA

Manufacturer Tech Info website:
http://www.motorcraft.com/

View Manufacturer OBD/Error Code List

Generic OBD Error Code Details for C0265

EBCM Relay Circuit

http://www.fordforum.com/forum/gene...-diagnostic-trouble-codes-21925/?ref=esp-link

The Ford uses same EBCM as Chevy and GM...the ABS Kelsey Hayes 325 (I believe)...anyhow, that's the code...

 

[blacksnapon]

All "C" codes directly out of the 08 f350 workshop manual

C1095 ABS Hydraulic Pump Motor Circuit Failure ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C1096 ABS Hydraulic Pump Motor Circuit Open ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C110A ABS Active Circuit Short to Battery ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C1115 ABS Power Relay Output Short to Battery ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C1125 Brake Fluid Level Sensor Input Circuit Failure SJB REFER to Section 413-01.
C1145 Wheel Speed Sensor RF Input Circuit Failure ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C1155 Wheel Speed Sensor LF Input Circuit Failure ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C1170 PRNDL Switch Circuit Failure IC REFER to Section 413-01.
C1175 Speed Wheel Sensor LR Input Circuit Failure ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C1185 ABS Power Relay Output Circuit Failure ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C1194 ABS Outlet Valve Coil LF Circuit Failure ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C1198 ABS Inlet Valve Coil LF Circuit Failure ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C1210 ABS Outlet Valve Coil RF Circuit Failure ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C1214 ABS Inlet Valve Coil RF Circuit Failure ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C1222 Wheel Speed Mismatch ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C1233 Wheel Speed LF Input Signal Missing ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C1234 Wheel Speed RF Input Signal Missing ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C1236 Speed Wheel LR Input Signal Missing ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C1242 ABS Outlet Valve Coil LR Circuit Failure ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C1246 ABS Outlet Valve Coil RR Circuit Failure ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C1250 ABS Inlet Valve Coil LR Circuit Failure ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C1254 ABS Inlet Valve Coil RR Circuit Failure ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C1329 ABS Outlet Valve Coil RF Circuit Excessive Temperature ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C1330 ABS Outlet Valve Coil LR Circuit Excessive Temperature ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C1331 ABS Outlet Valve Coil RR Circuit Excessive Temperature ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C1332 ABS Outlet Valve Coil LF Circuit Excessive Temperature ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C1333 ABS Inlet Valve Coil LR Circuit Excessive Temperature ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C1334 ABS Inlet Valve Coil LF Circuit Excessive Temperature ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C1335 ABS Inlet Valve Coil RF Circuit Excessive Temperature ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C1336 ABS Inlet Valve Coil RR Circuit Excessive Temperature ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C1414 Incorrect Module Design Level RCM REFER to Section 501-20B.
C1415 Incorrect Module Configuration IC REFER to Section 418-01.
C1446 Brake Switch Circuit Failure ABS Module REFER to Section 206-09.
C1699 Left Rear Sensor Circuit Short to Vbat PAM REFER to Section 413-13.
C1700 Left Rear Sensor Circuit Failure or Blockage PAM REFER to Section 413-13.
C1701 Left Rear Sensor Circuit Fault PAM REFER to Section 413-13.
C1702 Right Rear Sensor Circuit Short to Vbat PAM REFER to Section 413-13.
C1703 Right Rear Sensor Circuit Failure or Blockage PAM REFER to Section 413-13.
C1704 Right Rear Sensor Circuit Fault PAM REFER to Section 413-13.
C1705 Left Rear Center Sensor Circuit Short to Vbat PAM REFER to Section 413-13.
C1706 Left Rear Center Sensor Circuit Failure PAM REFER to Section 413-13.
C1707 Left Rear Center Sensor Circuit Fault PAM REFER to Section 413-13.
C1708 Right Rear Center Sensor Circuit Short to Vbat PAM REFER to Section 413-13.
C1709 Right Rear Center Sensor Circuit Failure PAM REFER to Section 413-13.
C1710 Right Rear Center Sensor Circuit Fault PAM REFER to Section 413-13.
C1728 Transfer Case Unable to Transition Between 2H and 4H 4X4 Control Module REFER to Section 308-07A.
C1729 Transfer Case Unable to Transition Between 4H and 4L 4X4 Control Module REFER to Section 308-07A.
C1742 Rear Sounder Circuit Failure PAM REFER to Section 413-13.
C1743 Rear Sounder Circuit Short to Vbatt PAM REFER to Section 413-13.
C1748 Switch Input Circuit Short to Gnd PAM REFER to Section 413-13.
C1920 Led #1 Circuit Failure PAM REFER to Section 413-13.
C197A 4x4 Low Input Short to Ground IC REFER to Section 413-01.
C197B 4x4 High Input Short to Ground IC REFER to Section 413-01.
C1992 Vehicle Speed Circuit Failure ACM REFER to Section 415-00.
C2780 ECU in Manufacturer Sub-State SJB DTC C2780 is only present when a new SJB is installed, the SJB is reprogrammed, or the SJB is configured. REFER to Section 204-04 to CARRY OUT the TPMS sensor training in order to CLEAR this DTC.
C2797 Brake Pressure Transducer Supply Short to Battery TBC Module REFER to Section 206-10.
C2798 Brake Pressure Transducer Supply Short to Ground TBC Module REFER to Section 206-10.
C2800 Brake Pressure Transducer Sense Circuit Open TBC Module REFER to Section 206-10.
C2801 Brake Pressure Transducer Sense Short to Ground TBC Module REFER to Section 206-10.
C2803 Brake Pressure Transducer Sense Circuit Failure TBC Module REFER to Section 206-10.
C2806 Trailer Brake Output Circuit Short to Vbatt TBC Module REFER to Section 206-10.
C2807 Trailer Brakes Wiring Circuit Short to Ground TBC Module REFER to Section 206-10.

 

[blacksnapon]

All DTCs related to 08 f350 ABS

DTC Description Source Action
B1317 Battery Voltage High ABS Module GO to Pinpoint Test A.
B1318 Battery Voltage Low ABS Module GO to Pinpoint Test A.
B1342 ECU is Faulted ABS Module REPAIR all other DTCs before diagnosing B1342. CLEAR the DTCs. TEST the system for normal operation. If the DTC returns, INSTALL a new ABS module. REFER to Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module in this section.
B2477 Module Configuration Failure ABS Module CONFIGURE the ABS module. REFER to Programmable Module Installation (PMI) in Section 418-01. CLEAR the DTCs. REPEAT the self-test. If DTC B2477 is retrieved again, INSTALL a new ABS module. REFER to Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module in this section. REPEAT the self-test.
B2900 VIN Mismatch ABS Module GO to Pinpoint Test F.
C1095 ABS Hydraulic Pump Motor Circuit Failure ABS Module GO to Pinpoint Test B.
C1096 ABS Hydraulic Pump Motor Circuit Open ABS Module GO to Pinpoint Test B.
C110A ABS Active Circuit Short to Battery ABS Module If any other non-communication DTCs are present (except for B1342), diagnose those DTCs first. CLEAR all DTCs. DRIVE the vehicle. If the DTC is still present, INSTALL a new ABS module. REFER to Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module in this section. CARRY OUT the self-test with the brake pedal not applied.
C1115 ABS Power Relay Output Short Circuit to Battery ABS Module CLEAR all DTCs. DRIVE the vehicle. If DTC C1115 is retrieved again, INSTALL a new ABS module. REFER to Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module in this section. CARRY OUT the self-test with the brake pedal not applied.
C1145 Wheel Speed Sensor RF Input Circuit Failure ABS Module GO to Pinpoint Test C.
C1155 Wheel Speed Sensor LF Input Circuit Failure ABS Module GO to Pinpoint Test C.
C1175 Wheel Speed Sensor Rear Input Circuit Failure ABS Module GO to Pinpoint Test C.
C1185 ABS Power Relay Output Circuit Failure ABS Module CLEAR all DTCs. If DTC C1185 is retrieved again, INSTALL a new ABS module. REFER to Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module in this section. CARRY OUT the self-test with the brake pedal not applied.
C1194 ABS Outlet Valve Coil LF Circuit Failure ABS Module CLEAR all DTCs. If DTC C1194 is retrieved again, INSTALL a new ABS module. REFER to Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module in this section. CARRY OUT the self-test with the brake pedal not applied.
C1198 ABS Inlet Valve Coil LF Circuit Failure ABS Module CLEAR all DTCs. If DTC C1198 is retrieved again, INSTALL a new ABS module. REFER to Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module in this section. CARRY OUT the self-test with the brake pedal not applied.
C1210 ABS Outlet Valve Coil RF Circuit Failure ABS Module CLEAR all DTCs. If DTC C1210 is retrieved again, INSTALL a new ABS module. REFER to Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module in this section. CARRY OUT the self-test with the brake pedal not applied.
C1214 ABS Inlet Valve Coil RF Circuit Failure ABS Module CLEAR all DTCs. If DTC C1214 is retrieved again, INSTALL a new ABS module. REFER to Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module in this section. CARRY OUT the self-test with the brake pedal not applied.
C1222 Wheel Speed Mismatch ABS Module GO to Pinpoint Test D.
C1233 Wheel Speed Sensor LF Input Signal Missing ABS Module GO to Pinpoint Test D.
C1234 Wheel Speed Sensor RF Input Signal Missing ABS Module GO to Pinpoint Test D.
C1237 Wheel Speed Sensor Rear Input Signal Missing ABS Module GO to Pinpoint Test D.
C1242 ABS Outlet Valve Coil LR Circuit Failure ABS Module CLEAR all DTCs. DRIVE the vehicle. If the DTC is still present, INSTALL a new ABS module. REFER to Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module in this section. CARRY OUT the self-test with the brake pedal not applied.
C1246 ABS Outlet Valve Coil RR Circuit Failure ABS Module CLEAR all DTCs. DRIVE the vehicle. If the DTC is still present, INSTALL a new ABS module. REFER to Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module in this section. CARRY OUT the self-test with the brake pedal not applied.
C1250 ABS Inlet Valve Coil LR Circuit Failure ABS Module CLEAR all DTCs. DRIVE the vehicle. If the DTC is still present, INSTALL a new ABS module. REFER to Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module in this section. CARRY OUT the self-test with the brake pedal not applied.
C1254 ABS Inlet Valve Coil RR Circuit Failure ABS Module CLEAR all DTCs. DRIVE the vehicle. If the DTC is still present, INSTALL a new ABS module. REFER to Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module in this section. CARRY OUT the self-test with the brake pedal not applied.
C1329 ABS Valve Outlet Coil Over RF Temperature ABS Module CLEAR all DTCs. DRIVE the vehicle. If the DTC is still present, INSTALL a new ABS module. REFER to Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module in this section. CARRY OUT the self-test with the brake pedal not applied.
C1330 ABS Valve Outlet Coil Over LR Temperature ABS Module CLEAR all DTCs. DRIVE the vehicle. If the DTC is still present, INSTALL a new ABS module. REFER to Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module in this section. CARRY OUT the self-test with the brake pedal not applied.
C1331 ABS Valve Outlet Coil Over RR Temperature ABS Module CLEAR all DTCs. DRIVE the vehicle. If the DTC is still present, INSTALL a new ABS module. REFER to Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module in this section. CARRY OUT the self-test with the brake pedal not applied.
C1332 ABS Valve Outlet Coil Over LF Temperature ABS Module CLEAR all DTCs. DRIVE the vehicle. If the DTC is still present, INSTALL a new ABS module. REFER to Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module in this section. CARRY OUT the self-test with the brake pedal not applied.
C1333 ABS Valve Inlet Coil Over RF Temperature ABS Module CLEAR all DTCs. DRIVE the vehicle. If the DTC is still present, INSTALL a new ABS module. REFER to Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module in this section. CARRY OUT the self-test with the brake pedal not applied.
C1334 ABS Valve Inlet Coil Over LR Temperature ABS Module CLEAR all DTCs. DRIVE the vehicle. If the DTC is still present, INSTALL a new ABS module. REFER to Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module in this section. CARRY OUT the self-test with the brake pedal not applied.
C1335 ABS Valve Inlet Coil Over RR Temperature ABS Module CLEAR all DTCs. DRIVE the vehicle. If the DTC is still present, INSTALL a new ABS module. REFER to Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module in this section. CARRY OUT the self-test with the brake pedal not applied.
C1336 ABS Valve Inlet Coil Over LF Temperature ABS Module CLEAR all DTCs. DRIVE the vehicle. If the DTC is still present, INSTALL a new ABS module. REFER to Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module in this section. CARRY OUT the self-test with the brake pedal not applied.
C1446 Brake Switch Circuit Failure ABS Module GO to Pinpoint Test E.
U0073 CAN Bus Off-Transmit Error ABS Module If any non-communication DTCs are present, diagnose those DTCs first. CLEAR all DTCs. DRIVE the vehicle. If the DTC is still present, INSTALL a new ABS module. REFER to Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module in this section. CARRY OUT the self-test with the brake pedal not applied.
U0115 Lost Communication With ECM/PCM - Secondary (SPCM) ABS Module If any non-communication DTCs are present, diagnose those DTCs first. CLEAR all DTCs. DRIVE the vehicle. If the DTC is still present, REFER to Section 418-00 to diagnose the High Speed Controller Area Network (HS-CAN) bus.
U0155 Lost Communication With Instrument Panel Cluster (IC) Control Module ABS Module If any non-communication DTCs are present, diagnose those DTCs first. CLEAR all DTCs. DRIVE the vehicle. If the DTC is still present, REFER to Section 418-00 to diagnose the HS-CAN bus.
U2050 No Application Present ABS Module CONFIGURE the ABS module. REFER to Programmable Module Installation (PMI) in Section 418-01. CLEAR the DTCs. RETRIEVE the DTCs and VERIFY successful module configuration. If DTC U2050 is retrieved again, INSTALL a new ABS module. REFER to Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module in this section. CLEAR the DTC. REPEAT the self-test.
U2051 One or More Calibration Files Missing or Corrupt ABS Module CLEAR the DTCs. CARRY OUT the ABS module self-test. RETRIEVE and RECORD any DTCs. If DTC U2051 is retrieved again, INSTALL a new ABS module. REFER to Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module in this section. CLEAR the DTC. REPEAT the self-test.

 

[blacksnapon]

Diagnostic possibility in 08 f350 workshop manual

The traction control system cannot be disabled/enabled (symptom)
(possible causes) SJB fuse 35 (10A)
Wiring, terminals or connectors
Traction control switch
PCM
(diagnostic step) GO to Pinpoint Test H.

 

[blacksnapon]

Pinpoint test H

Pinpoint Test H: The Traction Control System is Inoperative or the Traction Control System Cannot Be Disabled/Enabled


Refer to Wiring Diagrams Cell 42, Vehicle Dynamic Systems for schematic and connector information.


Normal Operation

The ABS module sends vehicle speed information to the PCM along High Speed Controller Area Network (HS-CAN) bus. The PCM compares the front wheel speed sensor information to the rear wheel speed sensor information to determine if traction control is necessary. If traction control is necessary, the PCM limits engine torque, by regulating fuel and spark to the cylinders, to control the wheel slip. At the same time, the PCM illuminates the traction control indicator. The traction control indicator informs the driver that a traction control event is taking place.

The traction control system can be disabled by pressing the traction control switch located on the instrument panel. When the system is disabled, the yellow traction control system indicator light on the switch will illuminate and the message center (if equipped) will display TRACTION CONTROL OFF. Once disabled, the traction control can be enabled by either pressing the traction control switch again or cycling the ignition key from OFF to RUN.

Fused ignition voltage is sent to the traction control switch along circuit CBP35 (YE/GY) (for both traction control system activation and for illumination of the indicator in the switch). When the traction control switch is pressed, this voltage is sent to the PCM along circuit CCA15 (YE/GY). If the traction control system is currently enabled when the PCM receives this voltage, it internally grounds circuit CCA10 (WH/BN), this also grounds circuit CBP35 (YE/GY) through the traction control switch and illuminates the yellow traction control indicator in the switch. If the traction control system is currently disabled when the PCM receives this voltage, the PCM opens the internal ground which extinguishes the yellow traction control indicator in the switch.

This pinpoint test is intended to diagnose the following:

Fuse
Wiring, terminals or connectors
Traction control switch
Wheel speed sensor(s)
PCM
ABS module
PINPOINT TEST H : THE TRACTION CONTROL SYSTEM IS INOPERATIVE OR THE TRACTION CONTROL SYSTEM CANNOT BE DISABLED/ENABLED NOTICE: Use the Flex Probe Kit for all test connections to prevent damage to the wiring terminals. Do not use standard multi-meter probes.
H1 CHECK THE PCM CONFIGURATION
Connect the scan tool.
Ignition ON.
Reconfigure the PCM. Refer to Programmable Module Installation (PMI) in Section 418-01.
Test the system for normal operation.

Is the symptom still present?


Yes GO to H2.
No The system is operating correctly at this time. Concern caused by incorrect or incomplete configuration.



H2 CHECK FOR DTCs
Check for any ABS module, PCM or communication DTCs.

Are any DTCs present?


Yes For ABS module DTCs, REFER to the ABS Module DTC Chart.
For PCM DTCs, REFER to the Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnosis (PC/ED) manual.
For any communication DTCs, REFER to Section 418-00.
No GO to H3.



H3 CHECK THE TRACTION CONTROL SWITCH
Ignition OFF.
Disconnect: Traction Control Switch C280.
Measure the resistance between traction control switch C280 pin-1, component side, and pin-6, component side while pressing and releasing the switch.

Is the resistance greater than 10,000 ohms with the switch released and less than 5 ohms with the switch pressed?


Yes GO to H4.
No INSTALL a new traction control switch. TEST the system for normal operation.



H4 CHECK CIRCUIT CBP35 (YE/GY) FOR VOLTAGE
Ignition ON.
Measure the voltage between traction control switch C280-1, circuit CBP35 (YE/GY), harness side and ground.


Is the voltage greater than 10 volts?


Yes GO to H5.
No VERIFY SJB fuse 35 (10A) is OK. If OK, REPAIR circuit CBP35 (YE/GY). If not OK, REFER to Wiring Diagrams Manual to identify the possible causes of the circuit short. TEST the system for normal operation.



H5 CHECK CIRCUIT CCA15 (YE/GY) FOR AN OPEN
Disconnect: PCM C175T (Gasoline).
Disconnect: PCM C1232B (Diesel).
For gasoline engines, measure the resistance between traction control switch C280-6, circuit CCA15 (YE/GY), harness side and PCM C175T-33, circuit CCA15 (YE/GY), harness side.

For diesel engines, measure the resistance between traction control switch C280-6, circuit CCA15 (YE/GY), harness side and PCM C1232B-13, circuit CCA15 (YE/GY), harness side.


Is the resistance less than 5 ohms?


Yes GO to H6.
No REPAIR circuit CCA15 (YE/GY). TEST the system for normal operation.



H6 CHECK CIRCUIT CCA15 (YE/GY) FOR A SHORT TO GROUND
Measure the resistance between traction control switch C280-6, circuit CCA15 (YE/GY), harness side and ground.


Is the resistance greater than 10,000 ohms?


Yes GO to H7.
No REPAIR circuit CCA15 (YE/GY). TEST the system for normal operation.



H7 CHECK THE PCM CONNECTORS
Ignition OFF.
Check PCM connector for:
corrosion.
pushed-out pins.
spread terminal.
Connect the PCM connector and make sure that it is seated correctly.
Make sure the connector is seated correctly then operate the system and verify the concern is still present.

Is the concern still present?


Yes INSTALL a new PCM. Refer to the appropriate section in Group 303 for the procedure. TEST the system for normal operation.
No The system is operating correctly at this time. Concern may have been caused by a loose or corroded connector.

 

[DNFXDLI]

You type damn fast Vince!

 

[blacksnapon]

Cut and paste. I've got access to every manual Ford has (at least for the last 10-12 years)

 

[DNFXDLI]

I was being a smart***
I have to say that the procedures are something else.

 

[blacksnapon]

I was being a smart***
I have to say that the procedures are something else.

That pinpoint test even has pictures (my computer wont pick them up on cut and paste)

 

[DNFXDLI]

That pinpoint test even has pictures (my computer wont pick them up on cut and paste)

Things have come a long way! When I go my local dealership here it's pretty cool seeing the terminals at each location in the shop.

 

[mboclassic]

Reset Module Works Great!

I ended up using myairbags.com and had the EBCM reset for $69...so far so good!