1960 I 6/223 Exhaust Manifold

[Milt]

From what I've read on this forum, especially from Number Dummy (who has been very helpful to me btw), it looks like cracked exhaust manifolds in this year/engine type are all too common and that replacements are rare if not impossible to find.

Am I correct in that absent finding a replacement manifold, that the only solution is to replace it with headers? Can cast iron be welded? I saw a Youtube video that indicated it can be done. I would prefer to restore to stock, but if this is my only solution, even temporarily as I look for stock replacements, then that's what I'll do.

Can anyone advise on this question?

 

[DNFXDLI]

Cast that has been exposed to heat can be welded...but you will want to call around and find someone experienced with it.

 

[BKW]

From what I've read on this forum, especially from Number Dummy (who has been very helpful to me btw), it looks like cracked exhaust manifolds in this year/engine type are all too common and that replacements are rare if not impossible to find.

Am I correct in that absent finding a replacement manifold, that the only solution is to replace it with headers? Can cast iron be welded? I saw a Youtube video that indicated it can be done. I would prefer to restore to stock, but if this is my only solution, even temporarily as I look for stock replacements, then that's what I'll do.

Can anyone advise on this question?

IMO, the weld will not hold. Once the manifold gets hot, it expands...the weld then gives way.

Same 223 exhaust manifold: 1954/64 Passenger Car & Truck. Hard to find used, darn near impossible to find new.

btw: NumberDummy is my user name on FTE.

 

[bromebe]

Bill, did you try our Slick 60's web site for your 223 manifold?
guarentee one on my club members will lead you right to one

www.fordtruk.com
www.slick60s.com

 

[Milt]

Exhaust Manifold

Thank you for the replies and I apologize for not responding earlier. I misunderstood that I would receive an email when my thread received replies.

Bill and/or NumberDummy thanks again for all of your posts--you really know your stuff. I have just purchased a 1959 Ranchero with a 352 V8. It has what appears to be an aftermarket carburetor and I'd like to replace it with an original and thought you would know which it is so I might start looking for a rebuilt replacement? Thanks in advance for your help.

 

[BKW]

Bill, thanks again for all of your posts--you really know your stuff. I have just purchased a 1959 Ranchero with a 352 V8. It has what appears to be an aftermarket carburetor and I'd like to replace it with an original and thought you would know which it is so I might start looking for a rebuilt replacement? Thanks in advance for your help.

The 332 looks identical to a 352. The engine code is the 1st digit of the VIN:

B = 332 2V ~ 1958 Ford ~ Holley 2V

H = 352 4V ~ 1958/59 Ford/Thunderbird/Edsel ~ Holley 4V carburetor or 1959/60 Ford/Thunderbird/Edsel ~ Ford 4V carburetor.

The Ranchero's bed floor had caulking where it meets the front panel and on both sides where it butts up against the quarter panels. Underneath the bed floor is the 2 door station wagons floor pan, foot wells and spare tire well.

Water seeps in past the caulking, and has no place to go, because there are no drains in the floor pan.

Below the tire well is the fuel tank, and Ranchero's are in-famous for rusting out in this area, and if not caught in time, the fuel tank can fall out on the road.

The foot wells are another area that is in-famous for rusting out, and there is really no way to discover this, until rust holes appear.

I bought a 1957 Ranchero and a 1959 Galaxie Ragtop from a friend who needed dinero. I gave the ragtop to another friend (who owned a bodyshop) to restore the Ranchero.

He warned me beforehand, Ranchero's are notorious for rust. The tire well was (as expected) swiss cheese, someone had already fixed the foot wells using fibreglas.

 

[Milt]

Thanks Bill,

A couple of questions for follow up if you don't mind.

Is there any other identifying number for the Holley carburetor other than just "Holley 4v?" I have a 352 per the VIN number.

It was just dumb luck on my part, but the car/truck was fitted with a camper shell for the vast majority of its life so it appears that the rust problems that you note have been circumvented, but I do have an embarrassing question for you . . . you note the spare tire well . . . where exactly is the spare tire well? It's been raining like crazy here so my flimsy excuse is that I can't get out there and look around until things dry up a bit.

 

[BKW]

Thanks Bill,

A couple of questions for follow up if you don't mind.

Is there any other identifying number for the Holley carburetor other than just "Holley 4v?" I have a 352 per the VIN number.

It was just dumb luck on my part, but the car/truck was fitted with a camper shell for the vast majority of its life so it appears that the rust problems that you note have been circumvented, but I do have an embarrassing question for you . . . you note the spare tire well . . . where exactly is the spare tire well? It's been raining like crazy here so my flimsy excuse is that I can't get out there and look around until things dry up a bit.

From the 1949/59 Ford Passenger Car Parts Catalog (available on a CD from hipoparts.com):

Carburetors can be identified by a stamping number shown on the carburetor or by a metal (tri-angular shaped) tag attached to the carburetor (usually mounted on the airhorn).

1958/59 Ford/Thunderbird 352 Holley 4V: 5752303 / (CGK9BA), (CGK9BB).

The spare tire well is at the rear of the floor pan just in front of the rear bumper.

Look at your Ranchero's fuel tank, it's just above it.

The spare tire on 1957/59 Ranchero's was mounted behind the front seat.

On my 1957, the body man removed the Ranchero's bed floor, cut it in half, then hinged it.

This way the spare tire could be mounted in the station wagon's tire well and more space could be provided below the bed floor in the front of the floor pan, which had space since there was no 2nd seat.

And, the body man also coated the floor pan with a rust preventative and drilled holes in it, so...if any water entered, it went out the very same time.

"It never rains in Cali-for-nia, but girl I want to warn you...it pours." -Beach Boys.

And that's been the scenario all day today. Right now it sounds like there's a 100 drummers bangin' on the roof.

 

[Milt]

Ok, I think I got it now. I was looking for a door in the floor of the bed. I now understand, as you where trying to tell me, that all of this is beneath the bed floor. I was looking for some sort of seam where the bed floor hinged as I have seen pictures of other Rancheros that have had this done to them--and I assumed it was stock.

Re the carburetor, the carburetor on the Ranchero is a Motocraft and thus I presume it's aftermarket. You note 3 part numbers for the Holley 4V: 5752303 / (CGK9BA), (CGK9BB). Am I correct in that any of these part numbers will be the correct Holley?

 

[BKW]

Ok, I think I got it now. I was looking for a door in the floor of the bed. I now understand, as you where trying to tell me, that all of this is beneath the bed floor. I was looking for some sort of seam where the bed floor hinged as I have seen pictures of other Rancheros that have had this done to them--and I assumed it was stock.

Re the carburetor, the carburetor on the Ranchero is a Motocraft and thus I presume it's aftermarket. You note 3 part numbers for the Holley 4V: 5752303 / (CGK9BA), (CGK9BB). Am I correct in that any of these part numbers will be the correct Holley?

Since there was no such thing as Motorcraft prior to 1973, the carb on your Ranchero is a replacement.

The numbers I listed are either stamped on the base of the carb, or are on the ID tag.

On station wagons, there is a hinged panel that can be opened to access the spare tire. There is no such thing "as original" on a Ranchero.

Why I dunno, as the tire well is the logical place for the spare, not behind the seat where it robs space.

 

[Mil1ion]

Bill I have a book with other carb ID numbers that were used..

None of them start with 5.

There are so many I will have to scan the section

 

[Milt]

Thanks again Bill,

Since I'm a novice restorer, I need to ask for the sake of clarification--am I correct that any of the following part numbers are correct: Holley 4V: 5752303 / (CGK9BA), (CGK9BB)?

Btw, where in California do you live? Do you have a club that you could recommend that is comprised of guys who are experienced in various aspects of restorations.

 

[BKW]

Bill I have a book with other carb ID numbers that were used..

None of them start with 5.
Uh huh...

Where do you think I got those Holley carburetor ID numbers from? It wasn't from a crystal ball, tea leaves, tarot cards, a psychic, or from the internet.

The answer is: From the carb applications charts in the 1949/59 Ford Passenger Car Parts Catalog / Text, Section 95, Page 326.

You have a better source than that?

Milt: I'm in Hacienda Heights, which is about 15 miles east of downtown LA.

There was a club called The Fabulous 50's Ford Club at one time. Haven't heard a peep from them in years.

Until just recently, I belonged to The Galaxie Club of America (based in the east) and SoCal Galaxies (based in Orange County, CA). Both clubs are viable.

The only car clubs I belong to at present (both since the 1960's) are: Packard Automobile Classics, The Classic Car Club of America.

The only Ford product I currently own is my new 2011 F150. This is the 84th FoMoCo vehicle I've owned since 1956. Of those, 10 were purchased new, the rest were old rolling piles of misery!

 

[Mil1ion]

Actually it is from the Motorcraft book from about 1988.

 

[Milt]

Thanks Bill for all the info. So I need to look for a Holley 4V with the following part numbers (as you noted in your earlier thread): 5752303 / (CGK9BA), (CGK9BB)?

 

[BKW]

Actually it is from the Motorcraft book from about 1988.

No such thing as Motorcraft prior to 1973, but you already knew that, I assume.

If the OP wants to keep the Ranchero 'as original' he prolly doesn't want a replacement carb.

If he doesn't...

 

[Milt]

Thanks Bill

You are right, I do want to keep the Ranchero original. Am I correct in that I need to look for the following part numbers (as you noted in your earlier thread): 5752303 / (CGK9BA), (CGK9BB)?

 

[BKW]

You are right, I do want to keep the Ranchero original. Am I correct in that I need to look for the following part numbers (as you noted in your earlier thread): 5752303 / (CGK9BA), (CGK9BB)?

Correctamundo, but these are the carb ID numbers for the part number...not the part number, which is:

B9AZ-9510-A .. 4V Holley Carburetor / Obsolete

No FoMoCo Dealer or obsolete parts vendor has any. Where are you located?

 

[Milt]

Thanks again. I assumed I would have to go to a carburetor rebuilder to find the correct Holley. Perhaps eBay will have one . . ..

I live in Capistrano Beach, CA. Thanks too for the club recommendations. I talked/emailed the guys at the So. Cal Galaxie Club and they really seemed nice. My girlfriend is not too happy with the idea of me spending even more time on things related to cars. I'm trying to talk her into joining me but have yet been successful.

 

[Mil1ion]

No such thing as Motorcraft prior to 1973, but you already knew that, I assume.

If the OP wants to keep the Ranchero 'as original' he prolly doesn't want a replacement carb.

If he doesn't...

My Motorcraft book is from about 1988, but it lists parts back to the 50's

I must have missed the actual application somewhere along the way.
I thought this thread was about an H1 on a 223