oh, this is gonna be good!

[blacksnapon]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44095196/?GT1=43001

 

[O'Rattlecan]

They'll get their grubby hands in on your business and Lord knows what will happen. They'll have to pass the bill so we can find out what's in it.

Ryan

 

[blacksnapon]

Nah, I wonder how long they'll want: Billy Bobs garage does some warranty work, does it right, does it quickly. He sends in his warranty claim, and it comes back denied and unpaid because he did not submit prior approval requests showing any diagnostic tests performed, results obtained, circuits tested, and number on all connectors. Or the job that pays $300, he has to purchase that $1200 tool to do it (and he only uses it once).

 

[6L PWR]

Most of that IS available on the internet. That's the best reason to join these vehicle forums!!

The FANTASTIC mechanics that are on these boards help us alot!

We ask for TSB's or diagnostic help and we get it, FREE!!

 

[73F100Shortbed]

They have to pass a law for this? The information is available. Most shop owners won't buy the equipment. Couldn't get my last boss to buy much of anything because he was cheap. Lost tons of money not doing things right. A law will not help shop owners like that.

 

[blacksnapon]

Even if you provide all information available, it still wont be much help without the special tools to do the job. These tools are manufactured by the aftermarket (mostly OTC)

 

[blacksnapon]

Good example of the books aren't always right

this is how the pinpoint test shows the pcm connector orientation..........................................................

And how the EVTM (wiring manual) shows them on an 08 taurus x(position A3)

 

[blackhat620]

IMHO a totally un-needed piece of legislation that will just gum up the works. Currently all the information is available to independent shops and shade tree mechanics if they want to purchase the software, subscriptions and tools.

http://nastfenews.org/index.php?opt...anybody-listening&catid=27:features&Itemid=49

Sounds like the guy in the article with the KIA just needs to find a local mechanic that wants to stay current with the latest equipment. The flip side of the neighborhood mechanic staying current is that with many vehicles coming with a 100K mile warranty most customers will go to the dealer until the warranty expires and the manufactures don't pay anyone well for warranty work, just asked the dealers what their re-imbursement level is, barely covers overhead. Just not a large profit center for the local mechanic to tap into.

 

[Fellro]

Unless it was one of the manufacturer specific codes, it shouldn't have been an issue, because there is no excuse for owning a shop and not having a code scanner, plain and simple. I don't mean code reader, they best have a scanner with live data, or just do oil changes and basic maintenance, and quit trying to guess what is wrong with the car. AllData has the info for a subscription, I am sure there is others. No need for this law.

 

[flareside_thunder]

They did it to themselves.....These smaller shops wouldn't need all this "updated equipment" if manufacturers wouldn't make them 99% electronically controlled. I'm not saying that being electronically controlled doesn't make for an efficient engine...but it sure does gum things up for the efficiency of diagnosing trouble-codes and issues. Went round n round with an 02 Taurus the other day....With the appropriate diagnosing equipment and all. Sticking their fingers where they don't need to be (IE this proposed legislation) Is utter BS, we have other issues going on right now that need attention, not this. Business owners are cheap and they always will have squeaky buttcheeks when they walk.