I really miss our '04 Lightning, but this could do a LOT to ease the pain:







http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests...oyota_tundra_trd_supercharged_test/index.html

DOHCmarauder said:

I really miss our '04 Lightning, but this could do a LOT to ease the pain:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests...oyota_tundra_trd_supercharged_test/index.html

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Why ditch a Lighting to get a Yo-yo...?

more like yuck-yuck! LOL

lil_dq said:

more like yuck-yuck! LOL

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TexasNomad said:

Why ditch a Lighting to get a Yo-yo...?

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Sold the Lightning to pay for the Dog's cancer/chemo treatments.

(and I would have sold/spent whatever it took for the greatest dog ever)


Bought the Tundra because the F-250 is on its 3rd transmission and the LOCAL Ford dealers and Ford could not care less about a customer who has purchased close to 30 new Fords in his lifetime and currently owns 6...

Thanks for asking, though.....

Jack, does your F250 have a torq shift or an e4od?

DOHCmarauder said:

I really miss our '04 Lightning, but this could do a LOT to ease the pain:

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So could this:

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2008/11/the-raptor-has.html

Blue Goose said:

Jack, does your F250 have a torq shift or an e4od?

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4R100..........I know they're hit and miss; it was flawless in the Lightning.


The thing is, is I reported a problem BEFORE the Ford extended warranty was up time wise (still had 30,000 miles left!!)

Due to a few unforseen circumstances, (one was my father passing away) they didn't get the truck until a few days after the expiration date.

The first dealer said I needed to call Ford directly to see if they'd cover it. (this pissed me off from the start!!)

Ford said I needed an estimate. The dealer quoted me some insane tear down fee before they could give me an estimate.


Went to a 2nd dealer, they gave me an estimate of over $3,000.(no tear down, but they did pull the pan gratis)....Ford said they'd give me $750 towards that.


2nd dealer was kind enough to charge me warranty rates so the bill came to $2,200..........$1,500 out of pocket.


My brother in law is a manager at the biggest Ford dealership in the world. (aprox 300 miles away) I've bought a few cars from there but not this particular truck.

He got his owner involved, I was offered $1,000 cash or a $2,000 voucher and warranty on any new vehicle. (I took the voucher and bought wifey a new Lincoln...... which is a horror story for another day)


I'm not sure the average consumer would have taken this as far as I did and would have allowed the 1st dealer to rape 'em.


I believe the above scenario happens all to often and is one of the main reasons Ford is in the trouble they are.

No reason to make a loyal customer jump through hoops like that, IMHO.


Be advised, ANY sign of problems concerning the Tundra will be reported here in a heartbeat.

john112deere said:

So could this:

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2008/11/the-raptor-has.html

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When the 6.2L/6speed is FINALLY introduced, Ford will be at the top of my shopping list once again.

At the moment, the current drivetrain is still bringing up the rear power wise...which is actually a shame considering Ford has the hardware/know how to lead the pack.

I must have one.....

Powertrain alone won't determine what sells. Toyota's Tundra sales were so gawd-aweful last month, they didn't even break them out of the monthly sales totals.

At any rate, from where I sit, it wouldn't matter if the damned thing made 1,000 HP and got 40 mpg while it was doing it- there's no excuse whatsoever for that styling- on Toyota's or anyone else's showroom floor.

http://www.toyota.com/about/news/corporate/2008/11/03-1-sales.html

polarbear said:

Powertrain alone won't determine what sells. Toyota's Tundra sales were so gawd-aweful last month, they didn't even break them out of the monthly sales totals.

At any rate, from where I sit, it wouldn't matter if the damned thing made 1,000 HP and got 40 mpg while it was doing it- there's no excuse whatsoever for that styling- on Toyota's or anyone else's showroom floor.

http://www.toyota.com/about/news/corporate/2008/11/03-1-sales.html

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Dude, you have to let it go...........I can give you many OPINIONS that say the exact opposite and that your beloved Chevy is far uglier.......that is if the transmission doesn't frag first.


#1) percentage wise, the Tundra has finally caught up with GM and Ford as far as units YTD........they're ALL down nearly 30%.


#2)........that's because they halted production a few months ago.



Furthermore, the rebates are back down and the 0% is only good for 36 months.


For grins and giggles, I went to check out a RCSB Tundra. They had NONE, ZERO, ZILCH.


Unlike the domestics, Toyota will thin the inventory instead of continuing to lose huge $$$ just to make a sale.

DOHCmarauder said:

When the 6.2L/6speed is FINALLY introduced, Ford will be at the top of my shopping list once again.

At the moment, the current drivetrain is still bringing up the rear power wise...which is actually a shame considering Ford has the hardware/know how to lead the pack.

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yup, looking forward to the 302/351/390 again.

TexasNomad said:

I must have one.....

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if i get one...ill let you ride in the back seat and take it over some sweet jumps

my dad always nagged about how my truck wasnt designed to go offroad yatta yatta yatta. Well i get this one..it is designed for that.

DOHCmarauder said:

Dude, you have to let it go...........I can give you many OPINIONS that say the exact opposite and that your beloved Chevy is far uglier.......that is if the transmission doesn't frag first.


#1) percentage wise, the Tundra has finally caught up with GM and Ford as far as units YTD........they're ALL down nearly 30%.


#2)........that's because they halted production a few months ago.



Furthermore, the rebates are back down and the 0% is only good for 36 months.


For grins and giggles, I went to check out a RCSB Tundra. They had NONE, ZERO, ZILCH.


Unlike the domestics, Toyota will thin the inventory instead of continuing to lose huge $$$ just to make a sale.

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We both percentages up or down don't count for squat. Here's the numbers, YTD.

#1. Ford F-Series
436,022 -26.0% YTD
October 2008: 43,324
October 2007: 51,741

#2. Chevrolet Silverado
402,191 -23.6% YTD (+145,067 GMC's= 547,258)
October 2008: 31,689
October 2007: 48,716

#3. Dodge Ram
213,684 -29.0% YTD
October 2008: 17,626
October 2007: 24,711

#4. GMC Sierra
145,067 -16.9% YTD
October 2008: 11,256
October 2007: 17,417

#5. Toyota Tacoma
127,314 -14.3% YTD
October 2008: 10,001
October 2007: 12,449

#6. Toyota Tundra
121,451 -25.5% YTD
October 2008: 6,425
October 2007: 17,868

#7. Ford Ranger
58,706 -5.6% YTD
October 2008: 3,891
October 2007: 4,775

#8. Chevrolet Colorado
47,396 -26.9% YTD
October 2008: 2,552
October 2007: 5,753

#9. Nissan Frontier
42,424 -23.8% YTD
October 2008: 1,551
October 2007: 4,959

#10. Nissan Titan
30,907 -44.8% YTD
October 2008: 1,007
October 2007: 5,001


If you want to play the numbers game, there have been 1,523,580 Full-Sized pickups sold YTD, all makes. Toyota sold 121,451 Tundra's, or about 7.9% market share. About the same as they ran with the old bodystyle Tundra.

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2008/11/october-2008-to.html

polarbear said:

We both percentages up or down don't count for squat. Here's the numbers, YTD.

#1. Ford F-Series
436,022 -26.0% YTD
October 2008: 43,324
October 2007: 51,741

#2. Chevrolet Silverado
402,191 -23.6% YTD (+145,067 GMC's= 547,258)
October 2008: 31,689
October 2007: 48,716

#3. Dodge Ram
213,684 -29.0% YTD
October 2008: 17,626
October 2007: 24,711

#4. GMC Sierra
145,067 -16.9% YTD
October 2008: 11,256
October 2007: 17,417

#5. Toyota Tacoma
127,314 -14.3% YTD
October 2008: 10,001
October 2007: 12,449

#6. Toyota Tundra
121,451 -25.5% YTD
October 2008: 6,425
October 2007: 17,868

#7. Ford Ranger
58,706 -5.6% YTD
October 2008: 3,891
October 2007: 4,775

#8. Chevrolet Colorado
47,396 -26.9% YTD
October 2008: 2,552
October 2007: 5,753

#9. Nissan Frontier
42,424 -23.8% YTD
October 2008: 1,551
October 2007: 4,959

#10. Nissan Titan
30,907 -44.8% YTD
October 2008: 1,007
October 2007: 5,001


If you want to play the numbers game, there have been 1,523,580 Full-Sized pickups sold YTD, all makes. Toyota sold 121,451 Tundra's, or about 7.9% market share. About the same as they ran with the old bodystyle Tundra.

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2008/11/october-2008-to.html

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Ernie, it's you who continue to play the numbers game.

For me, the Tundra is just a better 1/2 ton truck.

More power (which is what this thread was about BTW)

Good economy.....sure, you could give up 80-100 HP to gain a few MPG, but a truck shouldn't be ones' economy car.

Same basic frame design and riveted mounts as GM and Fords 3/4 ton trucks (yes, I checked; GM still uses rivets on the HD's)

But since you bring it up yet once again:

The Tundra is down the same as pretty much everyone else % wise.


Prior to the last 2 months, the Tundra had the LEAST decline in sales for the year.


They stopped production because it was foolish to HAVE to give away $10,000 to move inventory.


Such an incredibly simple business decision......probably why Ford/GM/Chrysler can't grasp it.

8% market share with one single model may not be enough for Toy but considering there are 5 players with 3 of those having multiple weight classes, it's not really an indicator of anything.


Let me try it another way:

The Tundra sold 1/4 of what Chevy sold with at least 4 fewer models. (no 3/4 ton, no 1 ton, no dually and no diesel.)

1/2 ton vs 1/2 ton, I'm sure it's much closer.


But hey, I guess McDonald's burgers are the best since it's all about market share.

Oh, good lord.

You two fight like an old married couple.

john112deere said:

Oh, good lord.

You two fight like an old married couple.

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Nah, I don't have to beg to get some from Ern.......

DOHCmarauder said:

Same basic frame design and riveted mounts as GM and Fords 3/4 ton trucks (yes, I checked; GM still uses rivets on the HD's)


They stopped production because it was foolish to HAVE to give away $10,000 to move inventory.


Such an incredibly simple business decision......probably why Ford/GM/Chrysler can't grasp it.

8% market share with one single model may not be enough for Toy but considering there are 5 players with 3 of those having multiple weight classes, it's not really an indicator of anything.


Let me try it another way:

The Tundra sold 1/4 of what Chevy sold with at least 4 fewer models. (no 3/4 ton, no 1 ton, no dually and no diesel.)

1/2 ton vs 1/2 ton, I'm sure it's much closer.


But hey, I guess McDonald's burgers are the best since it's all about market share.

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I'm looking for the rivet mounts on the 3/4T's (or 1/2T's). I see welds, I see bolts. I ain't seeing rivets.

Anyhoo- however you slice or dice it, 7.9% market share means Toyota is selling the new Tundra to the same buyer group that bought the last Tundra. Ain't bad, but no improvement either. To be fair, GM's probably wondering why they spend a gazillion dollars for the new Silverado since, in retrospect, the old one would've probably sold in the same numbers.

And yes, Toyota is waaay better at making business decisions.

polarbear said:

I'm looking for the rivet mounts on the 3/4T's (or 1/2T's). I see welds, I see bolts. I ain't seeing rivets.

Anyhoo- however you slice or dice it, 7.9% market share means Toyota is selling the new Tundra to the same buyer group that bought the last Tundra. Ain't bad, but no improvement either. To be fair, GM's probably wondering why they spend a gazillion dollars for the new Silverado since, in retrospect, the old one would've probably sold in the same numbers.

And yes, Toyota is waaay better at making business decisions.

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I'm sure a lot of 1st gen. Tundra buyers went back to Tacos because of the fuel price scare. The funny thing is, is the current Taco is probably as much truck as teh previous Tundra.........(which I was NEVER a fan of, BTW)






The rivets are holding on the shackle mounts on the HD......in all fairness, the "900" HD frame is just a slightly modified "800" frame on the HD's.

"To be fair, GM's probably wondering why they spend a gazillion dollars for the new Silverado since, in retrospect, the old one would've probably sold in the same numbers."



Very astute statement........but who knew the feces was gonna hit the bladed wind generator.