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Old 03-31-2014, 08:59 PM
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From what I've seen in fleet applications, the turbo diesel is going to be the engine of choice. Ford really isn't replacing the E Series, at least not at the moment. The E Series has been on the market, in fundamentally it's current form, for about 30+ years. Its a rolling throwback, but it works for the customer base who cares little about style and technology, and calculates ownership on the sole basis of cost per mile.

The new Transit will be significantly more expensive to buy, although it should offer offsets through more economical operation. In the Northwest, Mercedes has made substantial inroads into this market segment with the Sprinter, which is nothing more than a German plumbers van. When FedEx signed up for a large fleet purchase, other commercial buyers took notice.

Last fall I drove a 14 pass Sprinter toSouthern Oregon. Over 18 mpg, comfy seats, and roadholding that's in a completely different world compared to the E Series (or GMs crappy Express, which I'm also intimately familiar with). This should be interesting to watch.

Also interesting is the intro of the new Transit Connect, which morphs into a true mini-van, along with offerings from GM and Nissan. For many small businesses, the cost of fuel is a major expense, and it's worth rethinking how much vehicle you really need to get the job done.
Maybe Ernie...the diesel is not available in the highest GVW's and looking at the spec sheets, it's overall capacity is less due to the weight.

My understanding is the E-Series is being phased out from all the reading I have done.

Gm's product is a rebadged Nissan from what I have been reading and the Ram Promaster a Fiat.

I know several people here that have Sprinters and it's been fairly unanimous what they have to say about them...stay away to make it short...mostly from an expense standpoint and lack of service network.
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Old 03-31-2014, 09:12 PM
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Being phased out...

http://www.cleveland.com/business/in...rley_says.html

http://www.autonews.com/article/2014...e-series-vans#
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Just got off the phone with a dealer I used to use....the order bank is open!!



Looks like the first ones will be for a June delivery and I might have to wait a month or 2 before ordering as some options have a late availability...waiting on an email now.
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Maybe Ernie...the diesel is not available in the highest GVW's and looking at the spec sheets, it's overall capacity is less due to the weight.

My understanding is the E-Series is being phased out from all the reading I have done.

Gm's product is a rebadged Nissan from what I have been reading and the Ram Promaster a Fiat.

I know several people here that have Sprinters and it's been fairly unanimous what they have to say about them...stay away to make it short...mostly from an expense standpoint and lack of service network.
I suspect they've done so well here because Freightliner is local, and they're in charge of distribution and service, no matter what brand name is on the grill. Doesn't surprise me that service is spotty in other parts of the country (s).
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I suspect they've done so well here because Freightliner is local, and they're in charge of distribution and service, no matter what brand name is on the grill. Doesn't surprise me that service is spotty in other parts of the country (s).
Maybe...I can't say as I don't live there, but I have been lurking on Sprinter forums for some time and you are saying what the majority don't.
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Maybe...I can't say as I don't live there, but I have been lurking on Sprinter forums for some time and you are saying what the majority don't.
All I'm saying, Duncan, is the Sprinter's are a very common sight on northwest roads. In terms of national numbers, Ford sold roughly 16,000 E-Series vans through 2/14, GM sold about 12,000 Express/Savana's, and Mercedes sold about 3,000 Sprinters. Not a huge number, but I'd be willing to bet those deliveries were concentrated in major metro areas. What they proved to Ford is that a European-format delivery van is saleable to commercial users here, even with a significant price difference.
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Gotcha.
I was thinking that the Transit was more from Mulally's "global platform" idea...but in any case, I think that Ford is going to do very well with this platform.
Being in a trade for 25 years, I have heard and lived every gripe with having a regular van and after going in a couple of Sprinters, I'm pretty excited about this Van!
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Wow! That's really neat. Lots of power coming from that, definitely a showcase for some new technology and developments.
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Gotcha.
I was thinking that the Transit was more from Mulally's "global platform" idea...but in any case, I think that Ford is going to do very well with this platform.
Being in a trade for 25 years, I have heard and lived every gripe with having a regular van and after going in a couple of Sprinters, I'm pretty excited about this Van!
Global platform, yes. But like the Focus and the Fiesta, Mulally's question was do Americans REALLY need a different platform or even body than the Europeans? His belief is no, based on the success of other European brands here.

I see the Fiesta 1.0l Ecoboost 3-popper made it over as well. Another model that conventional old-school marketing peeps would have said doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of selling. Sells like crazy on the other side of the pond though. Bet it will here too.
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I have no problem with the Econoline.
Maybe I'm just used to them since I've been driving them since about 1978.
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