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blacksnapon

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Anyone needing some work done, get down here. We're sitting around with nothing to do!
 
rambler

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You know. I may have to call you and stop by on my down to visit my parents.. they live in Plato, just south of Ft. Lost in the Woods...

I havent planned a trip yet, as too many weekend activities for the kids right now...
 
LEB Ben

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Quote on rebuilding the bottom end on a 96 460...
 
Austin

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You can build me a 429. :D
 
blacksnapon

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rambler said:
You know. I may have to call you and stop by on my down to visit my parents.. they live in Plato, just south of Ft. Lost in the Woods...

I havent planned a trip yet, as too many weekend activities for the kids right now...
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No problem, just let me know!
 

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You can rebuild my F100 if you'd like. It needs the 300 rebuilt, the C6 rebuilt, the brakes rebuilt, the cooling system rebuilt, and it needs some patch work for rust, it needs the wiring gone over as a safety precaution, and it needs a new paint job.

Is that enough work for you guys?
 
LEB Ben

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blacksnapon said:
It'll be very affordable! (Hot Damn, I'll be able to buy that new truck shortly!)
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Seriously though...is that something a Ford shop would still take in? If it is, I'd assume a bottom end rebuild with parts and labor would put me in the $3500ish range?
 
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UTfball68 said:
Seriously though...is that something a Ford shop would still take in? If it is, I'd assume a bottom end rebuild with parts and labor would put me in the $3500ish range?
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We'll work on anything from chainsaws to tractor trailers, just bring your checkbook.
 
blacksnapon

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Fordtruckman80 said:
You can rebuild my F100 if you'd like. It needs the 300 rebuilt, the C6 rebuilt, the brakes rebuilt, the cooling system rebuilt, and it needs some patch work for rust, it needs the wiring gone over as a safety precaution, and it needs a new paint job.

Is that enough work for you guys?
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You're not here yet?
 
LEB Ben

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We'll work on anything from chainsaws to tractor trailers, just bring your checkbook.
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I hear ya. I was just curious. The build was something I wanted to do anyway, and still haven't even laid aside the funds for the parts...much less the coin for someone else to do it for me.
 
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TSB
08-25-4 5.4L 3V WITH P030X AND/OR P0316 ACCOMPANIED BY SPARK KNOCK

Publication Date: December 9, 2008

FORD: 2004-2005 F-150
2005 Expedition, F-250, F-350
LINCOLN: 2005 Navigator


This article supersedes TSB 06-3-3 to update the Service Procedure and Part List.

ISSUE:
Some 2004-2005 F-150 and 2005 F-250, F-350, Expedition and Navigator vehicles equipped with a 5.4L 3V engine, may exhibit the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) on with misfire diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs) P0300 through P0308 and/or P0316, and a spark knock.

ACTION:
Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition.

SERVICE PROCEDURE

It may be necessary to replace the long or short block if damaged, and/or install latest level spark plugs. Refer to the following:

Isolate the engine bank causing the misfire / engine knock using diagnostic trouble codes and/or stethoscope.
De-power each cylinder individually on affected bank(s), one by one.
If noise disappears when any cylinder(s) are de-powered, proceed to Step 3 for those cylinders.
If noise does not disappear, use power balance test to isolate affected cylinders and proceed to Step 3.
Perform cylinder leak down / compression test and/or use a borescope to check isolated cylinders for damage (scuffed cylinder bore walls).
If engine damage is confirmed, replace the long or short block assembly under the provisions of the latest edition of the Powertrain Reference Guide. Be sure the latest level spark plugs are installed.
NOTE: THE LATEST LEVEL PLUG WILL BE MARKED WITH (PZT 14F) ON THE PORCELAIN INSULATOR.



If no engine damage is found, be sure the latest level spark plugs are installed.
If the misfire / knock condition is still present further diagnostics may be required to determine other sources of misfire, such as fuel injection monitoring or coil integrity checks with Integrated Diagnostic System (IDS) diagnostic equipment.

PART NUMBER PART NAME
PZT-14F Spark Plug
Or possibly..................................................................................
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06-19-8 TICKING AND / OR KNOCKING NOISE / STARTUP RATTLE FROM ENGINE - 4.6L / 5.4L 3V

Publication Date: September 13, 2006

FORD: 2005 Mustang
2004-2005 F-150
2005 Expedition, F-250, F-350
LINCOLN: 2005 Navigator


This article supersedes TSB 06-4-7 to update the Service Procedure.

ISSUE:
Some vehicles equipped with a 4.6L 3-valve or 5.4L 3-valve engine may exhibit a ticking and / or knocking noise after reaching normal operating temperature, or a rattle upon starting. The noise may be described as ticks, taps, knocks, or thumps. In some cases the noise may be a normal characteristic of these engines. In other cases the noise may require further investigation. Sorting out and defining the noise as reported by the customer is important to successfully diagnose and / or repair the condition.

ACTION:
Before starting diagnosis, it is critical to determine the specific engine noise the customer is concerned with. The customer should be interviewed to get their detailed perception and description of the noise, and to determine if the noise occurs at idle or above idle speed, and if the engine is cold, hot, or both. Attempt to duplicate the noise, and determine the source of the symptom. Refer to the following Service Procedure to help determine the source of the noise and if a repair is needed.

SERVICE PROCEDURE

NOTE: READ THIS SECTION IN ITS ENTIRETY BEFORE BEGINNING.



NOTE: THE 4.6L 3V AND 5.4L 3V ENGINES ARE INSTALLED IN SEVERAL VEHICLE PLATFORMS, WHICH MAY INFLUENCE THE INTENSITY OF NOISE DUE TO VEHICLE DIFFERENCES IN SOUND TRANSMISSION PATHS, HOOD AND BODY INSULATION PACKAGES, AND ROOT CAUSE OF THE COMPONENT(S) CAUSING THE NOISE.



PRE-CHECKS

Make sure you have a detailed description of the noise the customer is concerned with, including whether the noise is occurring at idle or above idle speed (does it disappear above 1200 RPM), and if the engine is cold, hot, or both when the noise is occurring. These engines generate a lot of "normal" noises, so it is critical to confirm the noise the customer is concerned with. Determine what environment the customer is in when the noise is most noticeable to them (inside passenger compartment, next to building with / without the driver and / or passenger window open, or beside the wheel well). Validate by using your own perception.
Compare the noise generated with a new vehicle, if available, with an ENGINE build date of 3/30/2005 or later on Mustang and 4/18/2005 or later on F-150 to F-350, Expedition and Navigator vehicles.
Diagnose noise when engine is at normal operating temperature (Oil at 160° F (71° C) or above). Verify oil temperature by using a diagnostic scan tool and monitoring the engine oil temperature (EOT) PID. Startup rattle may only occur with cold oil.
Check the type of oil filter installed on the vehicle. A dirty or clogged filter may cause a pressure drop. Look for aftermarket brands not recognized in the market or a production filter that has gone beyond the standard Ford recommended change interval.
Check for signs of oil brand used and viscosity (interview customer if needed). Motorcraft® SAE 5W-20 Premium Synthetic Blend Motor Oil or equivalent is recommended.
Once the above pre-checks are complete, check for sound level from the following components, in the order listed. Compare the sound from these components to the noise the customer is concerned with, to determine the source of the noise.

INJECTION / FUEL SYSTEM

Injector noise (ticking) is considered normal. Noise increases with RPM hot or cold and is recognized at the top of the engine.

VALVE TRAIN

Lash adjusters can make a ticking / tapping noise noticeable at any engine RPM / temperature and is audible through the wheel well or an open hood. However, with the hood down, lash adjuster noise can be heard as a light tapping noise through the wheel well and is considered normal.

Tracing this noise must be isolated to a cylinder bank. If one bank is louder than the other bank, focus the diagnostic to the loud bank. If both banks seem loud with the hood down, compare wheel well sound level to another comparable vehicle.

Use a stethoscope on the top of the cam cover bolt heads to confirm which bank is affected. Move the probe from front to rear if necessary.

If isolated, only replace the intake and exhaust lifters on the affected cylinder bank.

VARIABLE CAM TIMING

The 4.6L 3V and 5.4L 3V variable cam timing (VCT) feature may emit a light knock in normal operation and is audible only at idle speed, with a hot engine (gear selector in park / neutral). However, it may be masked by or mistaken for other noises generated from either injector firing or a malfunctioning valve train as described above. The noise does not affect performance or durability of the part.

VCT phasers may knock at hot idle. It may be heard inside the passenger compartment, or the wheel well area. Some light noise is normal. The engine may require a cold soak overnight for a full diagnosis to effectively be made at hot idle, particularly when a VCT phaser is suspected. The knock is not prevalent at cold temperature.

To test for VCT noise:

Place the transmission in park or neutral
Bring engine oil temperature to 160° F (71° C) or above as indicated by the scan tool "EOT" PID.
Allow engine to idle, and determine if noise is noticeable.
Set engine speed to over 1200 RPM (if noise is a VCT knock, the noise should disappear).
Return engine speed to idle (verify knock returns).
If the noise intensity is more than a lightly audible knock at hot idle under 1200 RPM at engine operating temperature, replace the cam phaser using the "In-Vehicle Repair" Camshaft Phaser and Sprocket procedure found in the Workshop Manual, Section 303-01

START UP RATTLE

Some 2004 F-150 and 2005 F-150, Expedition, Navigator, F-Super Duty, and Mustang vehicles may have a rattle on startup that lasts 1 to 3 seconds. If initial pre-checks have been completed and the noise sounds like it is coming from the front of the engine, replace the VCT Phaser Kit. If the engine continues to make the rattle noise after the initial startup do not exchange VCT.

PART NUMBER PART NAME
5L1Z-6500-AA Lash Adjuster (2005 Vehicles)
3L3Z-6500-BA Lash Adjuster (2004 Vehicles)
3R2Z-6A257-DA VCT Phaser Kit
 

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