A/C Question?

[76f350spercamprspeal]

Hi,How are you guys?
I have been making My Father go to the junkyard EVERY DAY,this is the second time we've went in 2 days.Well anyway,we saw a 75 F250 Camper Special Ranger Out there,Me and Father are gonna go out and take some things at about 6:30-7:00Am,it has A/C! Could me an Father pull out all the AC things and then some how put it all in our truck?
If so how and is this a lot of work and has any one done it?
Off Topic,but I'll just let you know what all my dad has taken so far for our truck at the Junk Yard OK?
-All of the Trim,Cab Bed from a 76 F250 Camper Special.
-Mufflers-From a 1965 F100 (will they fit? I hope so.P.S.He took the whole thing,all the way from the front to the back. He got both.
-Some weird blue thingy off the 65 that was small and had wires coming out of it.
-today we are going,who knows what we will get,I will fill you in when we get it.
So any help would be very helpful,Thank you so much in advance.
BTW:You guys are the best,and we are the best Forum,73-79s are THE BEST
And Also:What all do we have to get?

[surewhynot]

Sure, you could put the a/c in your truck. It will be alot of work, but may be worth it in the long run.

You will need every little piece. The controls, the a/c box from the firewall, hoses, everything. I did it once on a 79 Bronco.

[dreo2003]

76f350sprcamprspeal,

That's exactly what i've done!! My truck came from the factory with no air and i used all junkyard parts to put air in my truck for under 100$! Its not that hard. I would say the hardest part is swapping out the regular blower box for the evaporator blower box. I lot of different years fit together too. My compressor, hoses and control head are from a 94 f150, evaporator box, evaporator, and accumulator from an 89 bronco, condensor from a 91 f250 and everything works great!
Its not hard to do at all! all the wires are there (at least they were on my 95). Let me know if you have any questions. I just got done this about 3 weeks ago and i use the A/C every day. do it! you'll be happy you did.

[dreo2003]

If you find a truck will all the A/C components in tact you're in luck because its easier that way. Here's what you need to take:

Condensor (looks like a radiator and is in front of the radiator)
Compressor (looks like an A/C compressor lol, it has two hoses coming off the back, you need these hoses too)
evaporator box and accumulator. (It's where the blower motor is, in your truck, this box doesnt have the evaporator in it, you need to get one that does)
Control head (you need to swap out the controls so you can turn A/C on Duh!)

My truck is a '95 so i needed to make sure to get the low pressure cycling switch hanging of the side of the accumulator. I'm not sure if you'll need this because your truck is older with fewer electronics.

Then just put all those parts on your truck the way you took them off the truck at the yard. After you get it all together, you can take it to a shop to charge it for you. or if you want to do it yourself, you'll need a vacuum pump, r134a conversion fittings and referigerant.

[bucks77ford]

You may even want to pull the dash out too. If it doesn't match your truck, you could always paint it a color you want. But, either way, you are going to need the holes in your dash for the vents. It is going to be some work, so I hope you don't plan on driving your truck for awhile. With the front clip on, it is going to be difficult to cut the hole in the firewall for the "big black box".

[Fellro]

There were also a good number of dealer add on units, if you come across one of those, it is easier to swap in... otherwise, it can be done, just takes some doing. the 80 and newer trucks were easier to swap since the hole in the firewall was the same, as well as the harnesses being common.

[dreo2003]

bucks77ford, The truck already has the vents for the heat to blow through and the hole in the firewall is already there from the regular blower box. This was true on my '95 at least. I drive my truck to work every day and it wasn't down at all while i was doing this. I just paced myself and did one component a weekend and there was no down time at all. Unless the process is different for the older trucks, its a pretty straight forward and easy thing to do.

[Fellro]

Prior to the 80 models, they did not have the same hole like they do on the later models, so some firewall work is required to put factory air on them.The heater core on my 75 was inside the cab, while the a/c trucks have it out with the evaporator. There is also some vent routing changes, since the non-air trucks back then did not have dash vents.

[76f350spercamprspeal]

Heres what we got:
Original Radio.
Original Cigarette lighter.
Ignition Switch(With Key)
The Wiper Washer Thingy(With knob)
The Headlight switch with knob.
The Ducting.
The Vents on Driver and all around.
The Glove box
The ashtray(White,mines red)
The instrument cluster.
Maybe me and father could go again and get what we didn't get this time?(On another truck)
P.S. It was a 74 F-250 Camper Special.And it sat for a long time.
Me and father were covered in dust,I mean COVERED!!!
What am I missing for the AC that I need?

[Fellro]

How about the heater/ac/defrost controls? You can modify the harness to work, but the controls are necessary, especially with the relocation of the heater core. Have to ask, did you get the air box from the inside, as well as the evaporator casing from the outside of the firewall, as well as the condenser and pump?

[bucks77ford]

bucks77ford, The truck already has the vents for the heat to blow through and the hole in the firewall is already there from the regular blower box. This was true on my '95 at least. I drive my truck to work every day and it wasn't down at all while i was doing this. I just paced myself and did one component a weekend and there was no down time at all. Unless the process is different for the older trucks, its a pretty straight forward and easy thing to do.

Different for these. Non-Ac trucks only have the defrost vents and the blower motor is mounted where the "big box" should be.

You can probably get the donor parts cheaper for the installment, but for the work that is involved, if A/C is worth it, than a underdash unit would be better IMO.

[76f350spercamprspeal]

How about the heater/ac/defrost controls? You can modify the harness to work, but the controls are necessary, especially with the relocation of the heater core. Have to ask, did you get the air box from the inside, as well as the evaporator casing from the outside of the firewall, as well as the condenser and pump?
I got the Heater controls,as they are conected to the radio thing,I have no idea what else your talking about.

[bucks77ford]

I'm missing a few pieces from the pics, passenger side vent tube and the drivers side vent piece and the center flexible ducting. The drivers side vent tube can be either the hard plastic one like I have or a flexible tube.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j155/bucks77highboy/IMG_0439.jpg

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j155/bucks77highboy/DSC00484-1.jpg

[Fellro]

Ok, those were the parts I was talking about...

[Lost]

Basically U need to get everything that is behind and conected to ducts from driver side top pasengers as well as inner and outer boxes. all condensers,hoses ,brakets for motor,pump,etc etc . U can cut the holes for vent but get whole dash . Just remove dash face u will see what need. As fot the under hood stuff like compressors u may get stuffoff newer .

But the air boxes etc . R 79 down only .

[Brian_B]

I wonder if there is some weird way to adapt a newer AC system to an old truck. Hmm.....

I know...I can buy a kit, but they are $$$$$$$$$$

[surewhynot]

With a little bit of fabrication on a box under the dash to hold the evap, I'm sure you can.

[Brian_B]

With a little bit of fabrication on a box under the dash to hold the evap, I'm sure you can.


Now you guys got me thinking. :headbang: :)

I know there is not enough room under the dash for all the stuff posted in Buck's pic.

I think I would have to adapt it to what is already under there and find the parts from something smaller (like a ranger maybe).

My brother's old international scout had factory AC, but the controls and vents were in a sepearate "box" mounted below the dash (sort of above/in front of the shifters). The heat came out of there as well. Yes...he had a defroster setting (I assume that was duct work).

Oh well...probably a pipe dream, just like my power steering. I have to much else to spend money on right now. :(

[bucks77ford]

For all the vents, you could fab some flexible hose of some sort to use instead of the hard plastic vent tubes also, that way you could route them the way you wanted and go from there. I don't see why you couldn't. There isn't much underneath the dash except for all the A/C stuff.

[Fellro]

My cousin told me that a lot of street rodders are going to the rear air systems out of the vans to put the a/c in. You could possibly fit it under your seat, or make it work under the dash somehow...

[Brian_B]

I didn't mean to hijack the thread. It will be a long time before I get to the point of worrying about AC. Him installing it in his (or going to) just made me think of it as a possibility.

Tom can tell you how hot it gets in there in town traffic.

[BKW]

I got the Heater controls,as they are conected to the radio thing,I have no idea what else your talking about.
There are three different Ford A/C's used 1973/79...one is dealer installed, two are factory.

The dealer A/C is built into the dash, so it looks like factory A/C to the untrained eye. When you get that 1973/79 parts catalog...go here and take a look see:

ILLUSTRATION SECTION 195. Go there and scroll thru all the pages...see if what you bought matches the correct factory A/C system.

There were also aftermarket A/C 's from Sears, Mark IV and Air Cold Sales (Climatic Air) that ppl installed.

btw: Dennis said you copied his brochures...and those are the ones you posted on FTE, that's now a sticky.

YOU HAD NO RIGHT TO DO THAT...THAT'S DISHONEST!

[BKW]

I didn't mean to hijack the thread. It will be a long time before I get to the point of worrying about AC
(sigh) First you want P/S now you want A/C? :rotz:

What's next, a Vacuum Ashtray?

Don't laugh...Ford actually made one! And it will fit your truck.

Thought you'd like to know that 1953/64 Ford passenger cars (not Birds) only had one type of A/C, it hung under the dash. Find one a those puppies from 1956 thru 1963 with a Y block...everything bolts up under the hood. The dash unit (evaporator, registers..all one unit) bolts to the bottom of the dash...it's a snap once you find the unit.

All the components will really work from any '56/64 car, but you need the Y block mount and drive stuff for under the hood.

Try here: Big M Automotive in Williams CA = out in the middle of nowhere-north of Sacramento. Mike has 100's of 1950's/60's Fords. Come to think of it...Mike might have all that P/S stuff, too.

[Ranger429]

btw: Dennis said you copied his brochures...and those are the ones you posted on FTE, that's now a sticky.

YOU HAD NO RIGHT TO DO THAT...THAT'S DISHONEST!


Tisk Tisk, I wondered where he had gotten all those from.

[73F100Shortbed]

That is not right at all. Leave it to a 13 year old to try and be awesome on the Internet. Shame shame. I actually thought he did something useful for once too. Very dishonest.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c62/Ram2253spd/76scscopy.jpg

[Brian_B]

(sigh) First you want P/S now you want A/C? :rotz:

What's next, a Vacuum Ashtray?

Don't laugh...Ford actually made one! And it will fit your truck.

Thought you'd like to know that 1953/64 Ford passenger cars (not Birds) only had one type of A/C, it hung under the dash. Find one a those puppies from 1956 thru 1963 with a Y block...everything bolts up under the hood. The dash unit (evaporator, registers..all one unit) bolts to the bottom of the dash...it's a snap once you find the unit.

All the components will really work from any '56/64 car, but you need the Y block mount and drive stuff for under the hood.

Try here: Big M Automotive in Williams CA = out in the middle of nowhere-north of Sacramento. Mike has 100's of 1950's/60's Fords. Come to think of it...Mike might have all that P/S stuff, too.


It is worse than that. I originally wanted a real hotrod. I bought this truck with the intention of hacking it up, modernizing everything, and driving it daily. Well....after the 06 supernats and only 4 Y-block there...I decided to stick with the original drivetrain.

Now...I drive it almost daily and on some long trips (over 8 hours in one day a few weeks ago). I drove it just over 100 miles today. I want to be comfortable and not totally worn out when I get where I am going.

Power steering will happen someday as well as some padding in the seat 'smiliedoh'...AC I seriously doubt.

Why would I want a vacuum ashtray? I do not smoke and never have. I can't stand being around it even. Right now...mine has change in it. Eventually, I would like to hide a tiny tach in there, so that when closed it is hidden. I can't tell how many RPMs I am running with my loss of hearing. :( Around here it does not matter, but I would like to know out on the interstate when I am driving a lot faster.

My brother had an I.H. Scout II with the under dash AC. Actually worked fairly well believe it or not.

I might try to find a website for that place. E-mail is about the only way I contact anyone.

[Brian_B]

Note: I found their website and sent an E-mail. We will see. I would love to start collecting the parts I need.

Thanks Bill.

[76f350spercamprspeal]

That is not right at all. Leave it to a 13 year old to try and be awesome on the Internet. Shame shame. I actually thought he did something useful for once too. Very dishonest.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c62/Ram2253spd/76scscopy.jpg
How do you "Steal brochures,I took about 5 from him,his collection was very sad I got those from many other places,they removed my thread for some weird reason,heres the quote:
Hi 76f350spercamprspeal,

I am informing you that we have received a request to remove your "brochure" threads which I have done.

The reason for the removal was due to an understanding that you do not hold the intellectual copyright for the content.
If you can prove in any way/shape/form that you do, we can reinstate the content.

Thanks,
Adrian

[Ranger429]

I took about 5 from him,his collection was very sad

Are you talking about Mil1ons "collection"? Please, he has more knowledge in his pinky than you ever will know.

[76f350spercamprspeal]

Are you talking about Mil1ons "collection"? Please, he has more knowledge in his pinky than you ever will know.
then why was he banned?

[Ranger429]

You go ask him, he's a member here.

[76f350spercamprspeal]

i know,i dont know its none of my buissness.

[BKW]

How do you "Steal brochures, I took about 5 from him.
This sez it all.

Look up "took" in the dictionary.

[76f350spercamprspeal]

whats the problem,i can show you the ones and if you want I'll write from mil1iion if I can remember the ones that it is,would then I be allowed to post them?

[Skandocious]

Don't ask us-- ask Dennis.

If he gives us the go-ahead, then we'll let you know.

[76f350spercamprspeal]

okay,ill try

[73F100Shortbed]

Personally the only person who should be banned from anywhere is you 76scs. You know all the info you have was taken. You even tried to take my exhaust video from photobucket to probably claim it is the exhaust on your dad's truck. To say Mil1ion's collection of information is sad is the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile. Mil1ion is a great guy with a lot of information. You should think before you say anything.

[76f350spercamprspeal]

I did not claim it as mine,I have never even posted it mil1ion is a a swell guy Could I repost the stuff if I say some of the websites I got them from , I cant remember them all.:):):)

[bucks77ford]

How many people have you asked permission for to use a photo or brochure or even a video to repost. It's one thing to copy something to use for your own personal use, but to repost and say it's yours ("All my 73-79 Ford Truck Brochures), is just wrong. You don't make many friends that way, all you do is loose any kind of trust between you and fellow members.

[Ranger429]

Well here is a guy that was pretty upset about his brochures being abused.

http://www.fordification.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34810&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0

[bucks77ford]

Just goes to show where he got all of His or should I say everyone else's information.

[tomtoc]

Well here is a guy that was pretty upset about his brochures being abused.

http://www.fordification.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34810&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0
sounds like this guy needs a "do-over" at the internet

[Ranger429]

Yet more attempts: http://www.fordtruk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6764

[Fellro]

The safe way to share info safely is to credit where it comes from. To call it your own is called plagiarism, it will get you into a lot of trouble in school, college, and work as well. It is fine when you want to share info, but not fine to call it your own. In the case of the internet, you simply provide links to where the info comes from, rather than to copy it and present it as your own.

[Mil1ion]

Not very many people got to see this post that was deleted in the brochure.


http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i75/mil1ion/FTE%20things/?action=view&current=theftpost.jpg



From e-mail (read bottom to top)

actually I have over 40 brochures and hundreds of other images.

----- Original Message -----
From: saxzootsims@aol.com
To: mil1ion@shaw.ca
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Stop doing what you're doing


what did I do? I only took 5 or so from you you have a puny collectiion.


-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis <mil1ion@shaw.ca>
To: saxzootsims@aol.com
Sent: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: Stop doing what you're doing


BS,I read the title and the message for that brochure thread.

You stated """"""MY Brochures"""""" twice.



post them again ....Not now. People don't like you or trust you now.

You will be lucky not to be banned.

]D
----- Original Message -----
From: saxzootsims@aol.com
To: mil1ion@shaw.ca
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Stop doing what you're doing


i dont lie and misrepresent-

1. to represent incorrectly, improperly, or falsely.
2. to represent in an unsatisfactory manner.
Can I repost them,and say some are yours,wich only bout 5 areok buddy.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis <mil1ion@shaw.ca>
To: saxzootsims@aol.com
Sent: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: Stop doing what you're doing


You may get booted from both sites.

People don't want you around becasue you lie and mislead people.

Look up this word in the dictionary.

Misrepresent

D

----- Original Message -----
From: saxzootsims@aol.com
To: mil1ion@shaw.ca
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: Stop doing what you're doing


im sorry,I didnt want anyone to think they were mine.


-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis <mil1ion@shaw.ca>
To: saxzootsims@aol.com
Sent: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:30 pm
Subject: Re: Stop doing what you're doing


That's good!

You did WRONG.

D
----- Original Message -----
From: saxzootsims@aol.com
To: mil1ion@shaw.ca
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: Stop doing what you're doing


I took some of your brochures and evrey1s flippin.


-----Original Message-----
From: Mil1ion @ Ford Truck Fanatics <mil1ion@shaw.ca>
To: saxzootsims@aol.com
Sent: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:21 pm
Subject: Stop doing what you're doing


This is a message from Mil1ion at Ford Truck Fanatics ( http://www.fordtruckfanatics.com/forum/index.php
). The Ford Truck Fanatics owners cannot accept any responsibility for the
contents of the email.

To email Mil1ion, you can use this online form:
http://www.fordtruckfanatics.com/forum/sendmessage.php?do=mailmember&u=541

OR, by email:
mailto:mil1ion@shaw.ca

This is the message:

Read this

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/767587-i-have-my-parts-catolog.html

There were 4 posts from people who felt the same way ..this is what got the
brochure thread removed.

I want people to come to FTF not support FTE

FTE is bad news...can't you see that



From a PM.

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Ol Ford Brochure Kid.:)

Join Date: Jul 2008
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Talking Hey.
Dude,Whats new?
I was wondering do you have any Ford Lit for 73-79s?
Please Reply
76SCS.

[Ranger429]

Wow! The gall of some people!

Hey Dennis, I never knew you had a "puny" collection.


Here's another thread on it: http://73-79.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=458&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0


World's Youngest 73-79 Ford truck almost expert/Brochure kid.Just ask for any year and u have it

[Skandocious]

Unbelievable... It's amazing to see just HOW many people he has stolen from... That thread from Fordification is unbelievable...

76scs-- I take back what I said before. As far as I'm concerned, you're not allowed to link to any brochures at ALL anymore. Not without crediting EVERY LAST ONE to their rightful owners.

[Ranger429]

I wouldn't give two craps about it but the kid has flat out lied about this and he has been called out in prior about lying. I CAN'T STAND A LIAR! PERIOD

And one other thing, can't a mod edit his title under his user name AND make it so he can't?

76f350spercamprspeal
Ol Ford Brochure Kid.:)

[Skandocious]

I regret making that signature graphic for him... Gawd knows if anybody compliments it on the 34829374 sites he's using it on, he'll pass it off as his own creation... :headbang:

[tomtoc]

I regret making that signature graphic for him... Gawd knows if anybody compliments it on the 34829374 sites he's using it on, he'll pass it off as his own creation... :headbang:
i thought the same thing when i saw he was whoring it out everywhere

[Skandocious]

I sent him a PM asking that he cease use of the graphic on other competing forums. Told him if he wants to use it elsewhere, that I'd be glad to add a "Courtesy of FordTruckFanatics.com" stamp at the bottom. Of course the only thing that would stop him from using it is dignity and respect for me... Hopefully he'll be mature FOR ONCE.

[Ranger429]

Well he has claimed not to post on another certain forum untill February. I suggested that he would include all forums untill February 2015. :rolling laugh:

[Skandocious]

Well he has claimed not to post on another certain forum untill February. I suggested that he would include all forums untill February 2015. :rolling laugh:Haha yeah I read all of that.

[bucks77ford]

I sent him a PM asking that he cease use of the graphic on other competing forums. Told him if he wants to use it elsewhere, that I'd be glad to add a "Courtesy of FordTruckFanatics.com" stamp at the bottom. Of course the only thing that would stop him from using it is dignity and respect for me... Hopefully he'll be mature FOR ONCE.

Chris, you know, I'm glad you brought that up. I agree, he should have that signature at the bottom. It's crappy indeed to take what you gave him and use it somewhere else without your permission.

[73F100Shortbed]

poor kid. might as well buy a chevy because he won't be allowed on any ford sites soon LOL

[Brian_B]

I missed a lot. LOL I try to link to whatever I find around the net. I linked to bobJ49F2s mirror article when I used his idea. A lot of my pictures (dealing with old trucks) are off of ebay. No clue where those people got them from. LOL

I do not recall "stealing" anything from anywhere. As far as brochures or books go...whoever wrote or printed them originally owns the rights. They are copyrighted by somone.

Chris modified my banner by blending the threee pics (wish I knew how to do that fancy stuff) and I use it on one other forum. My does say ford truck fanatic (does not say .com) . It is sort of a sneaky way to get the name out on the other forum without saying it directly or getting in trouble over there.

[tomtoc]

even if you post an embedded pic, or a link to a pic, that's fine as long as it's to the original source of the pic.

you just can't have a thread called "my....." and have copied other people's pictures into your own account - that's stealing.

[Mil1ion]

Brian the problem is the copying and pretending.

Some of us have spent hundreds to thousands of dollars to attain this literature to make available to people who really NEED it.
A Mint Brochure in Alberta can net $35.00 or be as low as $1.00

I have thousands $$$$$$$ invested and I'll be damned if some kid copies them and then tells people they belong to him is.


The Kid was trying to be a hero and got caught all over the place.

[Brian_B]

I understand that.

I was not saying anything against it.

For instance...it is extremely rare and very costly to find one of the original brochures for my truck. I could not afford one even if I could find it. I know that Earl (George) has them scanned and posted online. I would not steal them and say they were mine though.

Yeah...he has been caught all over the place. I am surprised the guy from fordification tried to even communicate with "the other site". They left for the same reasons the rest of us did. Their story is pretty good reading, if you ever have time.

[Mil1ion]

I know the whole story from memory as I was blamed for some of the problems but, was actually against the whole thing that caused up the situation.

[surewhynot]

I think this thread has served it's purpose and gotten way off track. If you need to start a new thread feel free to do so. I'm going to lock this one.